I was wondering is anyone here a vegetarian? What do you think of people who don't eat meat? I want to be a vegetarian because I don't like the idea of killing animals (slaughter houses are pure EVIL) but I'm facing a bit of a head wind. My mom makes meat for dinner every night, and I don't know how I can get started. If anyone here can give me advice, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Vegitarianism
Started by wolflover173 on 25 Mar 2005, 00:16 UTC · 67 preserved posts
i love steak
Gee thanks for your help.
I don't care what you eat, just don't push your views onto me.
Where's the beef?
Where's the beef?
BEEF- IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER.
Lol, sorry. Couldn't resist!
If you think killing animals is cruel, that's your busieness. Just tell your mom.
Of course, you do realize that things like hunting and slaughter help keep populations under control, right? Places in which deer are not hunted... geez, I don't even wanna go there- it's much sadder than blasting a few in a humane manner.
I LOVE animals, but I'm ok with eating them as long as they're killed in a humane manner.
Now, horse slaughter houses are notorious for inhumane methods of slaughter, and I oppose them COMPLETELY. I'd never eat a horse, anyway. It's sick. I like them too much, and I can't stand the thought of eating one, much less one of my horse's relatives. Much too noble of an animal.... but anyway, do some research on it, and not just on Pro-PETA sites.
PETA is a bunch of idiots (do some research on them, too, if you want to know exactly what I mean) so even on subjects such as animal cruelty and abuse, don't listen to them until you've researched it THOROUGHLY.
Make sure you also research a good veg. diet. The lack of protein and Vitamin D can really give you some problems (or so I hear).
With all that having been said, just remember:
THERE'S ROOM FOR ALL GOD'S CREATURES....
RIGHT NEXT TO THE MASHED POTATOES.
(Another one I couldn't resist. Actually I've got more if you want any.)
Lol, sorry. Couldn't resist!
If you think killing animals is cruel, that's your busieness. Just tell your mom.
Of course, you do realize that things like hunting and slaughter help keep populations under control, right? Places in which deer are not hunted... geez, I don't even wanna go there- it's much sadder than blasting a few in a humane manner.
I LOVE animals, but I'm ok with eating them as long as they're killed in a humane manner.
Now, horse slaughter houses are notorious for inhumane methods of slaughter, and I oppose them COMPLETELY. I'd never eat a horse, anyway. It's sick. I like them too much, and I can't stand the thought of eating one, much less one of my horse's relatives. Much too noble of an animal.... but anyway, do some research on it, and not just on Pro-PETA sites.
PETA is a bunch of idiots (do some research on them, too, if you want to know exactly what I mean) so even on subjects such as animal cruelty and abuse, don't listen to them until you've researched it THOROUGHLY.
Make sure you also research a good veg. diet. The lack of protein and Vitamin D can really give you some problems (or so I hear).
With all that having been said, just remember:
THERE'S ROOM FOR ALL GOD'S CREATURES....
RIGHT NEXT TO THE MASHED POTATOES.
(Another one I couldn't resist. Actually I've got more if you want any.)
| Quote (Nashoba @ Mar. 25 2005,2:58) |
| Now, horse slaughter houses are notorious for inhumane methods of slaughter, and I oppose them COMPLETELY. I'd never eat a horse, anyway. It's sick. I like them too much, and I can't stand the thought of eating one, much less one of my horse's relatives. Much too noble of an animal.... but anyway, do some research on it, and not just on Pro-PETA sites. |
They used to make horse's into glue, I think? If it's true, they probably don't do it anymore.
LOL I made this picture ages and ages ago as a joke.. it is a joke so please don't take offense if you are a veggie
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\n\nLOL!!!!! Nice one Fluke!!!!! I don't think wolflover is going to like this........! However, it is still pretty funny!!!! I can't believe that you made Fluke a killer!!! JK!!!! Anyways, I'm not a vegitarian. I like to eat vegatables, but I like meat just as much. Also, I have a question!!! If you are a vegitarian, how do you get the vitamins and minerals your body needs from meat, if you are not supposed too?
Wolfen
Wolfen
They take vitamins for it instead. Trust me-my mom refuses to eat fish, so she has to take those instead.
I'm an omnivore. If you put basically any kind of food in front of me, I'll eat it. XD
Nick
I'm an omnivore. If you put basically any kind of food in front of me, I'll eat it. XD
Nick
Hey!!! Me too Nick!!! Also, thanks fo the info. It really helped me out!
Wolfen
Wolfen
| Quote (Fluke @ Mar. 26 2005,2:34) |
| LOL I made this picture ages and ages ago as a joke.. it is a joke so please don't take offense if you are a veggie |
very very very very very very very .... wonderful pic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not mad about your pic Fluke. It's good acctually!
Wolfen- They do take vitamins. There are alot of different ways to get protien and stuff.
Nashoba- I agree with the PETA and horse slaughter thing. Thanks for the advice! I didn't think to look on the vegetarian scociety website.....stupid me!
Wolfen- They do take vitamins. There are alot of different ways to get protien and stuff.
Nashoba- I agree with the PETA and horse slaughter thing. Thanks for the advice! I didn't think to look on the vegetarian scociety website.....stupid me!
| Quote (Nick @ Mar. 25 2005,10:34) |
| I'm an omnivore. �If you put basically any kind of food in front of me, I'll eat it. �XD Nick |
Lol- me, too.
Nice one Fluke! That's really funny. I love the crazed expression on Fluke's face!
Wolflover- I actually didn't know there was a vegetarian association... well, as I'm not a veg. I guess I wouldn't. Kind of a strange organization, don't u think?
Why do you think it's strange? I think it's cool, but they don't have alot of info on there. 
They have like contests to see if you can go veggie for a week (if you're not).
They have like contests to see if you can go veggie for a week (if you're not).| Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ Mar. 25 2005,4:10) |
| i love steak |
| Quote (wolflover173 @ Mar. 25 2005,10:53) |
| Gee thanks for your help. |
*LOL@the exchange!* That's great! Or maybe I'm just in need of sleep and easily amused. Either way, please don't take offense in my amusement. ^^;
Anyway, if you want go vegeterian, then go for it. Just make sure you stay healthy and make up for the sharp loss of protien in your diet when you do switch. As for the food, I haven't tried it all, but a lot of it is surprisingly tasty. My mom's boyfriend is a vegetarian, so when he visits she usually cooks a variety of different foods for him, include dishes with soy"meat". It may sound or look weird, but if prepared just right it can be just as good as meat dishes, just not as filling. So if you do switch, know that with advancements in recent years, you won't be missing too much flavor-wise.
As for your parents, if you're really convienced then I suppose it's something they'll have to come to understand. Parents may be stubborn at first, but they will come around in the end. If you have a determination akin to an iron will, then there's not much your parents could do to persuade you away.
Whatever you choose to do, good luck with it. ^^
My brother tried to go veggie after he saw animals packed in trucks going to the slaughterhouse. I think he lasted about 2 weeks and watching my mum and myself eat a meaty pasta dish tipped him over the edge and he went back.
I have quite a few veggie friends, some eat properly, some dont. You can get many of the vitamins, proteins and even fats etc from different plants so if you know what to eat your health shouldn't go down.
Funny thing aobut slaughter houses though, the people doing the work are usually animal lovers. Basically these animals will be slaughtered either way so you may as well have someone who cares about them doing the deed.
I have quite a few veggie friends, some eat properly, some dont. You can get many of the vitamins, proteins and even fats etc from different plants so if you know what to eat your health shouldn't go down.
Funny thing aobut slaughter houses though, the people doing the work are usually animal lovers. Basically these animals will be slaughtered either way so you may as well have someone who cares about them doing the deed.
| Quote (Fluke @ Mar. 27 2005,6:39) |
| Funny thing aobut slaughter houses though, the people doing the work are usually animal lovers. Basically these animals will be slaughtered either way so you may as well have someone who cares about them doing the deed. |
Their animal lovers? But they ussually kill them in inhumane(sp?) ways. I can't imagine some one who cares for animals doing that.
Silver Husey- Thanks so much! I've talked to my parents about it some, and they don't think I can do it. I think I can, and I'm gonna proove them wrong! I have'nt had any of the food, but I guess I need to try it at some point. Today is day 1 of me officially going vegetarian! *gulp*
i hate vegetarian:p
Well I can't speak for other countries WolfLover, but they are killed quite humanely in this country. They are shocked and knocked unconcious first and then they are killed. My point being that to do it properly you need to have some pride in your work. People who do it care about the animals and carry the work out professionally and properly. If you ran a slaughter house would you prefer people to know the animals are killed by someone who actually cares for them or by a sadistic psychopath who did the job in a messy and painful way?
| Quote (Fluke @ Mar. 27 2005,4:31) |
| Well I can't speak for other countries WolfLover, but they are killed quite humanely in this country. |
in italy too
Good luck wolflover173, although I'm not vegetarian.
| Quote (togo @ Mar. 27 2005,4:48) |
| Good luck wolflover173, although I'm not vegetarian. |
however good luck
| Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ Mar. 27 2005,9:51) |
| i hate vegetarian:p |
Why do you hate vegetarians? �
There's nothing wrong with them.| Quote (wolflover173 @ Mar. 27 2005,10:28) | ||
Why do you hate vegetarians? There's nothing wrong with them. |
Exactly! They taste the same as ordinary humans!
Er, I mean...
| Quote (CWTyger @ Mar. 28 2005,8:13) | ||||
Exactly! �They taste the same as ordinary humans! Er, I mean... |
Oh, great...so now we have vegetarians, carnivores, and cannibals. O.o...XD
I don't see anything wrong with being a vegetarian. I don't think that I would have the willpower to do something like that, though.
Nick
| Quote (wolflover173 @ Mar. 27 2005,7:28) | ||
Why do you hate vegetarians? � There's nothing wrong with them. |
i love meat
| Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ Mar. 28 2005,10:14) | ||||
i love meat |
You don't exactly have hate someone for what they eat or what they do. :P
| Quote (Firewolf @ Mar. 28 2005,5:42) | ||||||
You don't exactly have hate someone for what they eat or what they do. :P |
i don't like vegetarian because i love meat
| Quote (Fluke @ Mar. 25 2005,8:34) |
| LOL I made this picture ages and ages ago as a joke.. it is a joke so please don't take offense if you are a veggie |
I agree, they do taste like chicken. Now if only they'd stop moving when I'm trying eat them..
lol. Funny image there fluke. I think being a vegetarien is okey. I dont frown on it. Takes alot to eat only vegetables. I respect vegetarians. I tried once. I got so skinny and my mucles got smaller. A pure vegetable diet does not work well with me! �But when I eat meat. Man, am I built like a horse. Aint it the protein that does that stuff? I dont know much about vitamins, minerals, and all that jazz. I sort of just think with my stomach and eat what I feel. 
Good luck on the diet plan.
Good luck on the diet plan.
Thanks. I did pretty good my first 2 days. Did you not eat any protien when you tried to be a vegetarian? Maybe that's why your muscles got small. IDK, sorry I'm just talking.
A vegitarian diet would be better for me because I have only fat!
| Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ Mar. 28 2005,11:13) | ||||||||
i don't like vegetarian because i love meat |
We know that, you told us a million times!
Message for Muk&Luk Lover: Any more posting in this thread about your love of meat will be deleted. I'm sure everyone here knows you love meat. I'm also sure everyone here who isn't a vegetarian also loves meat. But, we don't declare our love of meat because it's disrespectful to the vegetarians. We also don't declare that we hate vegetarians because... well, we don't hate them. wolflover173, good luck with your vegetarian diet.
| Quote (CWTyger @ Mar. 29 2005,7:05) |
| Message for Muk&Luk Lover: Any more posting in this thread about your love of meat will be deleted. �I'm sure everyone here knows you love meat. �I'm also sure everyone here who isn't a vegetarian also loves meat. �But, we don't declare our love of meat because it's disrespectful to the vegetarians. �We also don't declare that we hate vegetarians because... well, we don't hate them. �wolflover173, good luck with your vegetarian diet. |
what's wrong? i reply to firewolf
| Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ Mar. 29 2005,9:43) |
| what's wrong? i reply to firewolf |
And you insult wolflover.
| Quote (togo @ Mar. 29 2005,5:46) | ||
And you insult wolflover. |
it's only a joke if i insult he i'm so sorry!!
I like to eat salad! So am I considered a vegitarian now? No wait, I also eat meat so I can't be a vegitarian!!!! Anyways, how cam you guys eat only vegatables? I mean that's like suicide!!!! (Sorry if I offended you)!!
Wolfen
Wolfen
| Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ Mar. 29 2005,3:05) | ||||
it's only a joke if i insult he i'm so sorry!! |
It's okay. I'm not that mad, but it wasn't a very funny joke.
Wolfen-You don't eat only vegetables! Some people say that you're not supposed to eat any product that is made from animal-based products, but I'm not ready to do that quite yet, so If you wanted to try it out you could start off by cutting out just red meat, then when you can do that, you cut out somemore things. (like fish and eggs.) That's what I am doing. You still eat all the other food groups, and there are many ways to get protien and B12 without eating meat.
| Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ Mar. 29 2005,12:05) | ||||
it's only a joke if i insult he i'm so sorry!! |
It was a purposely insulting joke from my point of view, Muk. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it say in our rules that one must respect all members of the board? (And I'm sure that's not the only part of the rules you're breaking.)
| Quote (wolflover173 @ Mar. 29 2005,11:51) | ||||||
It's okay. I'm not that mad, but it wasn't a very funny joke. Wolfen-You don't eat only vegetables! Some people say that you're not supposed to eat any product that is made from animal-based products, but I'm not ready to do that quite yet, so If you wanted to try it out you could start off by cutting out just red meat, then when you can do that, you cut out somemore things. (like fish and eggs.) That's what I am doing. You still eat all the other food groups, and there are many ways to get protien and B12 without eating meat. |
sorry wolflover and sorry all guys!!
It's okay muk&lukLOVER. I'm sure you didn't mean it, so thanks for apologizing.
I am a Vegitarian, and have been one for about 2 years now. When I first started, I had a hard time letting go to the meat, but after about a month of trying and giving in to temptation I said enough is enough and just stoped eating meat all together. Sure it was a little hard at first, but if you truely believe in what you are doing it will be easy, such like myself it only took about 3 weeks before all of the cravings stopped. �
Alot of people will dislike the idea of you being a Vegitarian, and just neglect your opinions. This can be the most frustrating part of being a Vegitarian. ALOT of times people will say "your not helping the animals by not eating them, its not us that kills them it the slaughter houses." I get that one all the time this is how I respond: "I know being a Vegitarian does not stop the killing, and I know that it is the slaughter houses that does the killings, but the by eating the meat you are SUPPORTING the meat market, and I can not support such evil." Also alot of people ask me why I do it and all I have to say is "I can not live with myself knowing the fact that I would be supporting the meat market." So keep in mind that people will not agree with your opinions, but do not let this get to you, stick with your goals and views. you have my full support
For the meat eaters I am not trying to force my views on you I am only stating my opinion, and trying to help Wolflover.
Alot of people will dislike the idea of you being a Vegitarian, and just neglect your opinions. This can be the most frustrating part of being a Vegitarian. ALOT of times people will say "your not helping the animals by not eating them, its not us that kills them it the slaughter houses." I get that one all the time this is how I respond: "I know being a Vegitarian does not stop the killing, and I know that it is the slaughter houses that does the killings, but the by eating the meat you are SUPPORTING the meat market, and I can not support such evil." Also alot of people ask me why I do it and all I have to say is "I can not live with myself knowing the fact that I would be supporting the meat market." So keep in mind that people will not agree with your opinions, but do not let this get to you, stick with your goals and views. you have my full support
For the meat eaters I am not trying to force my views on you I am only stating my opinion, and trying to help Wolflover.
do not worry. didn't seem very forceful on us meat eaters, although what you said makes me think about where my food comes from, mind you i hardly eat enough anyway without the meat i would be seriously lacking required aspects of my diet.
| Quote (Blue_Wolf @ April 01 2005,8:59) |
| I am a Vegitarian, and have been one for about 2 years now. When I first started, I had a hard time letting go to the meat, but after about a month of trying and giving in to temptation I said enough is enough and just stoped eating meat all together. Sure it was a little hard at first, but if you truely believe in what you are doing it will be easy, such like myself it only took about 3 weeks before all of the cravings stopped. � Alot of people will dislike the idea of you being a Vegitarian, and just neglect your opinions. This can be the most frustrating part of being a Vegitarian. ALOT of times people will say "your not helping the animals by not eating them, its not us that kills them it the slaughter houses." I get that one all the time this is how I respond: "I know being a Vegitarian does not stop the killing, and I know that it is the slaughter houses that does the killings, but the by eating the meat you are SUPPORTING the meat market, and I can not support such evil." Also alot of people ask me why I do it and all I have to say is "I can not live with myself knowing the fact that I would be supporting the meat market." So keep in mind that people will not agree with your opinions, but do not let this get to you, stick with your goals and views. you have my full support For the meat eaters I am not trying to force my views on you I am only stating my opinion, and trying to help Wolflover. |
I feel the same way, Blue_Wolf. I don't like the way the slaughter houses kill the animals. Thanks for your support and advice, and you're right, it is hard. I'll remember what you said about what people think, some people have said that to me before. Thanks alot.
As I studied an Animal related course at University, we spent a lot of time on the farm connected with the campus, we all practiced handling the animals etc and knew that all of them would go off to market and be slaughtered when at the right age. I used to look at the lil piglets and god they made me hungry lol. I used to go straight back to the college grill and get a big bacon sandwich. Call me harsh or mean, but I couldn't help it, they all smelt like bacon!
We learnt loads of skills on the farm, one activity involving something hot and a cow... mmm it smelt like beef burger *drools*
If animals don't want to be eaten, why are they made of meat?? lol
We learnt loads of skills on the farm, one activity involving something hot and a cow... mmm it smelt like beef burger *drools*
If animals don't want to be eaten, why are they made of meat?? lol
| Quote (Fluke @ April 02 2005,6:32) |
| If animals don't want to be eaten, why are they made of meat?? lol |
Humans are made of meat but we don't want to be eaten.
In some cultures it's the opposite.. plus I would try it, apparently it tastes like piggies 
| Quote (wolflover173 @ April 03 2005,3:18) | ||
Humans are made of meat but we don't want to be eaten. |
why? what do you eat?
| Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ April 06 2005,7:40) | ||||
why? what do you eat? |
What are you talking about? I said humans are made of meat and stuff but we don't want to be eaten.(I don't anyways.) Do you?
And why are you asking what I eat? I'm a vegetarian.
| Quote (Fluke @ Mar. 27 2005,10:31) |
| Well I can't speak for other countries WolfLover, but they are killed quite humanely in this country. They are shocked and knocked unconcious first and then they are killed. My point being that to do it properly you need to have some pride in your work. People who do it care about the animals and carry the work out professionally and properly. If you ran a slaughter house would you prefer people to know the animals are killed by someone who actually cares for them or by a sadistic psychopath who did the job in a messy and painful way? |
Uh, Fluke, where are you from? You've never heard anything about what they do to horses in those places?
Ok, first (warning, this may get graphic), they take a four-inch nail and drive it into the horse's head. This ''stuns'' them, but not really. They just go into pain. Not only that, but the nail is driven into the area just below the forehead, where it does not kill the horse immedeatly and humanely, but just ruptures the jacobsen's organ (the one air is drawn over and detects scent, you know, like the whole ''fleheming'' thing), causing terrible pain. (Kind of like the old cowboy myth/legend, the ones where they draw the X over the horse's face, shoot it, and are amazed when the horse is still standing- they don't realize that the jacobsen's was all they hit. Of course, the proper way to shoot a horse if need be is just below the forelock. The brain is hit, causes little external bleeding, no pain, just BAM. I've never done it though and hope I never have to.) The horse is the hoisted by one back hoof into the air and its throat is slit across both jugular grooves. Last time I checked, this is how they do things. Yes, I've seen actual photos of everything and heard accounts I have no reason to doubt.
Slaughter houses like to keep people in the dark about these things. Now you know why.
Sad thing is, this year is the first year in which the BLM's Wild Horse and Burro Statement (the one that says you may not sell the animal to slaughter) is being breached, and many, many horses and burros are predicted to go to slaughter.
Also, these people usually aren't horse-lovers. They go to large, massive stock auctions, but a few horses for about $200-400 each, and ship them over to Texas. NEVER auction your horse off if you want it to go to a good home and you must sell it. NEVER. Fortunately, most auctions around here are pretty safe and most horses I've seen there are healthy (and well-trained, but you as our auction house has a very small round-pen, you can never really tell), although a lot of the cows look pathetic.
If I'm wrong about any of this (and I hope I am- it's all way too cruel) please let me (and the rest of us here) know. Thank you. Just make sure you've researched it thoroughly.
EDIT: Don't get the impression that I'm a veg., cuz I'm not, and all of this pretains to HORSE slaughter houses and those ONLY.
| Quote (wolflover173 @ April 06 2005,10:14) | ||||||
What are you talking about? I said humans are made of meat and stuff but we don't want to be eaten.(I don't anyways.) Do you? And why are you asking what I eat? I'm a vegetarian. |
sorry i wrong, i misunderstand you
Nashoba, I am in the UK to answer your question and yes that is indeed how they slaughter animals, I know it was part of my degree. But we aren't talking horses here cos we (well I dont anyway) eat horses. Dogs probably do though, horse meat is often in pet foods etc, however I'm not saying I wouldn't eat a horse, it's just that cow and lamb etc is more tastey
But I do know about the captive bolt gun, no it doesn't kill them but it does knock them out cold, sometimes if left long enough the animal may regain consciousness but that rarely happens. Yes the jugular is slit and it is usually sliced as close to the heart as possible to maximise bleeding, I think they may slice the aorta too. But if you want cruel, try kosha meat.. same process minus the stun part so the animal is conscious when it is strung up and sliced open.
But I do know about the captive bolt gun, no it doesn't kill them but it does knock them out cold, sometimes if left long enough the animal may regain consciousness but that rarely happens. Yes the jugular is slit and it is usually sliced as close to the heart as possible to maximise bleeding, I think they may slice the aorta too. But if you want cruel, try kosha meat.. same process minus the stun part so the animal is conscious when it is strung up and sliced open.
You know... I think humans are the only creatures on Earth who care about the animals they kill and eat. I don't get the whole deal about not eating something that suffered, either.
I know, it's just horrible. I don't think I could never eat a horse, just from knowing what they're like and how much pain they go through. (Even ''stunned'' it is still painful.) I say, if you're going kill an animal, then kill it. Get a gun and shoot it. Or find some other humane method, but don't beat around the bush like that.
I just can't imagine eating one when I have three outside my window right now, and I know, ''at one time this animal was somebody's pet, or some barrel racer's horse that knocked over one too many barrels, or a jumper that made a few too many refusals. Could've been a great horse, given another chance.''
Lol, I dunno. I guess horses are just in a whole other class of animal for me.
EDIT- TO CW: Also remember that humans are the only creatures on this planet that can feel guilt.
I just can't imagine eating one when I have three outside my window right now, and I know, ''at one time this animal was somebody's pet, or some barrel racer's horse that knocked over one too many barrels, or a jumper that made a few too many refusals. Could've been a great horse, given another chance.''
Lol, I dunno. I guess horses are just in a whole other class of animal for me.
EDIT- TO CW: Also remember that humans are the only creatures on this planet that can feel guilt.
Nashoba-I thought chimps could feel guilt too.
| Quote (CWTyger @ April 07 2005,6:47) |
| You know... I think humans are the only creatures on Earth who care about the animals they kill and eat. �I don't get the whole deal about not eating something that suffered, either. |
Are you saying that even though other animals kill we are the only ones who feel guilt? I see where you are coming from but you have to get this most of those animals have to hunt to survive for they are carnavores, but we humans are omnivores. Don't get me wrong I am not against all forms of hunting, it is in human nature to hunt and eat meat. What I dont like is the fact that human technoligy has advanced so far it does not give the prey a chance. Such as guns, and other technological divises that gives the human a extreme advantage. If human hunters used bows and spears which actually gives the animal a chance of getting away, I see no problem in that, And actually some hunters still use that method because they dont like the advantages the gun gives them. If Wildlife Fish and game was not here to moniter and enforce hunting regulations most of the animals would be extinct, for example The Wolf was almost totaly wiped off of the planet buy hunters with no guid lines and there advanced rifles, and the bisen had the same fate of the wolf. It was not tell 1974 (sometime around then) that the wolf was declared a indangred animal.
� �Also Human technoligy has advanced so far we dont even need to hunt, take slaughter houses, thats not hunting, and you know it. Also going to a store and buying the meat is not hunting as well.
Once again I am not trying to force my opnions on anyone, I was just kind of commenting on what CW said. Also I want every one to know that I dislike all forms of hunting, but I would be lieing to myself if I said that humans should not be aloud to hunt, its human nature. I just wish people were not aloud to use such advanced hunting tools.
I'm not trying to force opinions on anyone, either, and I agree, animals can feel some forms of ''guilt'' but not quite like we can. Their minds are not as complicated, and trust me, I am very familiar with the works of Jane Goodall. Actually, sometimes I think I over estimate animals' minds, only to find that most -are- extremely intelligent and feel things such as guilt, jealousy, etc. When I said that we are the only creatures to feel guilt, what I really meant (and should have said- my apologies) is that we feel guilt for our enviroment on a higher level.
Blue Wolf- I take it that you've never actually been hunting? I'm not saying that you're ignorant of it, by all means, and you do make a good point, but half of hunting is tracking and aiming. Excuse me, over half. Guns only aid in a quicker death, and although it -could- be considered an ''unfair advantage'' on the human's part, it's really not. Most all hunters will tell you that it's hard enough getting game with or without a gun. Personally, I'd rather hunt with a bow and arrow for the art of it if not for the lack of noise.
Not meaning to offend anybody, or shove my beleifs down anybody's throat, so my apologies if I did. Oh, and excuse the type=o's. :;):
Blue Wolf- I take it that you've never actually been hunting? I'm not saying that you're ignorant of it, by all means, and you do make a good point, but half of hunting is tracking and aiming. Excuse me, over half. Guns only aid in a quicker death, and although it -could- be considered an ''unfair advantage'' on the human's part, it's really not. Most all hunters will tell you that it's hard enough getting game with or without a gun. Personally, I'd rather hunt with a bow and arrow for the art of it if not for the lack of noise.
Not meaning to offend anybody, or shove my beleifs down anybody's throat, so my apologies if I did. Oh, and excuse the type=o's. :;):
The reason they would use a captive bolt stun and then a knife is because it is cheap and cost effective. Bullets cost money and a bullet for every individual through the day would cost a fortune which would mean meat prices would go up and people would complain. A minority of people are prepared to pay more for animal products that have come from a better state of welfare such as free range eggs etc but the majority refuses to pay extra. This is a subject close to home, new laws are coming in outlawing battery hen farms (by 2012) and bringing a higher welfare in general to other farms. This means that our British products are going to be more expensive and personally I am happy to pay a bit extra for it. But most people aren't and as long as we are importing meats etc from other countries that produce cheaper products through bad welfare, people will buy them.
In regards to hunting, humans have always used tecnology to kill, spears and arrows were high tecnology 100s/1000s of years ago. Any form of a projectile is an advantage, you want to hunt an animal fairly then try hunting it with your teeth and hands. Modern bow and arrows are just as acurate and can be as powerful as some guns so it doesn't really make a difference in my opinion.
Again though horses aren't really the subject here as in this country and the US horse meat isn't on the menu however I see cows, sheep and pigs in fields every day but I still wanna eat them! At the end of the day though, is there really a nice way of killing for food? Wolves are some of the nastiest killers around they sit around a large prey animal e.g. a moose and starve it over days before it is safe enough for the pack to jump it. Then they start to eat it while it is still alive and this is a natural killing, if people want to be more natural about hunting and eating, try doing it like that. It is far crueler than a quick production line death.
In regards to hunting, humans have always used tecnology to kill, spears and arrows were high tecnology 100s/1000s of years ago. Any form of a projectile is an advantage, you want to hunt an animal fairly then try hunting it with your teeth and hands. Modern bow and arrows are just as acurate and can be as powerful as some guns so it doesn't really make a difference in my opinion.
Again though horses aren't really the subject here as in this country and the US horse meat isn't on the menu however I see cows, sheep and pigs in fields every day but I still wanna eat them! At the end of the day though, is there really a nice way of killing for food? Wolves are some of the nastiest killers around they sit around a large prey animal e.g. a moose and starve it over days before it is safe enough for the pack to jump it. Then they start to eat it while it is still alive and this is a natural killing, if people want to be more natural about hunting and eating, try doing it like that. It is far crueler than a quick production line death.
In Italy someone still eat cats or dogs (in Venice I think). I don't eat them of course because I have a dog and a cat. But I listened that the cat meat is very tasty.
| Quote (Fluke @ April 08 2005,7:05) |
| The reason they would use a captive bolt stun and then a knife is because it is cheap and cost effective. Bullets cost money and a bullet for every individual through the day would cost a fortune which would mean meat prices would go up and people would complain. A minority of people are prepared to pay more for animal products that have come from a better state of welfare such as free range eggs etc but the majority refuses to pay extra. This is a subject close to home, new laws are coming in outlawing battery hen farms (by 2012) and bringing a higher welfare in general to other farms. This means that our British products are going to be more expensive and personally I am happy to pay a bit extra for it. But most people aren't and as long as we are importing meats etc from other countries that produce cheaper products through bad welfare, people will buy them. In regards to hunting, humans have always used tecnology to kill, spears and arrows were high tecnology 100s/1000s of years ago. Any form of a projectile is an advantage, you want to hunt an animal fairly then try hunting it with your teeth and hands. Modern bow and arrows are just as acurate and can be as powerful as some guns so it doesn't really make a difference in my opinion. |
On Hunting: Good point, but I was only referring to bows/arrows because I was under the impression that BlueWolf was under the impression that guns (and guns alone) are an unfair advantage. Sorry 'bout that.
On the Bullets: I thought of that, about the bullets costing too much, especially for each horse and it's not as if you can go in after them after they've been shot, lol! I just wish they could, or else find some better method. There's no denying that the horse feels pain. Oh, and I agree, horses aren't really the subject of this thread at all, it just kind of got lead into that. Lol, minds wander... let's just hope they come back!
On the cow/sheep thing: (after this, no more horses, I promise!
) The reason, perhaps, that you and I can see cows and sheep every day and still want to eat those tasty little critters, but I look out and see horses and can't bear the thought of eating one is simple- if you could help it, would you eat a dog? You know, like if you didn't have to, and dogs (or wolves) were your favorite animals, would you really want to eat one? I don't WANT to eat a horse, not saying that I wouldn't if I had to, but it's just a preference of mine, shared by most people (or at least I've found it to be- then again, maybe it's just the people I'm around. Most of them go to the same riding club I do. Lol.) Anyway, everybody's made some really good points and all, but I stand here.<---
Oh, and about hunting and animal with teeth and hands: Lol! That was EXACTLY what I was thinking when BlueWolf was talking about ''unfair hunting!'' As humans, we got the short end of the stick when it came to natural hutning ability. We'd be dead by now if we didn't use SOME technology.
| Quote (togo @ April 08 2005,1:20) |
| In Italy someone still eat cats or dogs (in Venice I think). I don't eat them of course because I have a dog and a cat. But I listened that the cat meat is very tasty. |
in china not in Italy
| Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ April 08 2005,11:20) | ||
in china not in Italy |
They do that in alot of places. They eat gerbils in Peru!
| Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ April 08 2005,11:20) | ||
in china not in Italy |
In Italy too Muk, I'm sure.
| Quote (togo @ April 08 2005,5:27) | ||||
In Italy too Muk, I'm sure. |
i went to Venice in March, at the restaurant i didn't see dog or cat on menu
but it's not a problem if someone like them, i'm not vegetarian but i dislike eat dog or cat| Quote (wolflover173 @ Mar. 26 2005,3:38) |
| I'm not mad about your pic Fluke. It's good acctually! Wolfen- They do take vitamins. There are alot of different ways to get protien and stuff. Nashoba- I agree with the PETA and horse slaughter thing. Thanks for the advice! I didn't think to look on the vegetarian scociety website.....stupid me! |
Horse slaughter is the ONLY thing that I agree with them about! Other than that.... ANyways, their Protest activities are gross!
| Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ April 08 2005,11:20) | ||
in china not in Italy |
China, Italy... doesn't matter to me. Dog meat and cat meat just sounds too tough and stringy to me! Blech! Besides, eating one would creep me out... Then again, I thought buffalo would be tough and stringy, too, but I was wrong. Best fajitas I ever ate.
Now what's really gross is Sun bears. Never eaten one, never will. They actually roast them alive sometimes,... and then they wonder why the bears are endangered and almost extinct...