Old balto characters in b2 . . . . imo . . .

Are they losing their personality?

Started by Juuchan17 on 30 Mar 2004, 08:40 UTC · 52 preserved posts

74-108043194730 Mar 2004, 08:40 UTC

Is it just me, or were many of the old characters in B2 acting out of character?

For example: Jenna . . . . in the first movie, she was a tough husky that was willing to do anything she could. Unfortunately, in the sequel, sure she had six adorable puppies, but she just wasn't the way that we remembered her from the first movie. As a fan of Balto and most of its characters, I was shocked that Jenna wasn't as active of a character except for the fact of being a caring mother . . . . it would have been nice to see some action from her too . . . . but I guess they (the writers) were more into the fact that Aleu and Balto were more part wolf than the other pups . . . . . .

~wanna.comment.me.or.rant?

65-107815589730 Mar 2004, 13:24 UTC

True. The thing with Jenna is probably one of the biggest disappointments in WQ that I can think of...character wise, anyway. Yeah, it's great that Balto and Aleu got close to each other because of their wolf-ness, but still, Jenna shoulda been a bigger part of the movie. If anything...because she's Aleu's mother!

74-108043194730 Mar 2004, 22:02 UTC

In my opinion, don't blame the writers . . . . blame Boris !!! Stupid goose! He seemed more bossy and a bit stupider in the sequel . . . I don't like him anyway!
Muk and Luk were even worse! They were still playful and everything but it was all wrong!

~blah.blah.blah.

84-106196076031 Mar 2004, 15:53 UTC

ALL the characters were off! And do you know what's really been bugging me? In the very beginning there was this little dog telling Balto that Jenna was having her pups. Who was that?! Wouldn't it have made more sense to use an existing character?

65-107815589731 Mar 2004, 16:48 UTC

I think it definately would've been better if an exiting character gave Balto the news. Someone like Kaltag or Dixie.

Another thing: why is Balto still in the boat in WQ? I mean, he was accepted by the town and I think that it was no secret that he and Jenna were in love, even to the humans. So, why wasn't he living with Jenna at Rosy's?

84-106196076031 Mar 2004, 17:09 UTC

They didn't want to risk Balto running into characters from the last movie. :angry:

Heaven forbid. This way he's isolated and they can focus more on the relationship between Balto and Aleu. (Bites the director.)

72-106196060931 Mar 2004, 20:14 UTC

The character issues are what I don't like about WQ the most. None of the characters acted like they had in the first movie. For example: Balto seemed to have gotten more "sheepish" and less confident than he was at the end of the original film. Why?! He was the top canine in Nome at that point in time, plus he was loved by most of the town. They really screwed around with his personality in WQ. -_-

Jenna is one of my favorite characters in the movie, and when I saw WQ I was mad at how they portrayed her! The original jenna would have been out there with Balto, I think. *Firm nod* What were these writers on, crack?

Thats enough ranting for now, I won't even go into the animation of WQ...

84-107904132531 Mar 2004, 21:01 UTC

I don't start ranting.....

But... BUT!, I liked WQ... I couldn't help saying that... I just like it but, everyone's right about poor animation and the characters less active... I guess they *writers* didn't watch the 1st movie... Or they wanted a weaker plot, I say..
Aye... That's what I say....

~ Thunder... The wolf/dog appealer ~ :cool:

65-107836033831 Mar 2004, 22:23 UTC

If you ask me,I think Jenna should have helped Balto.Aleu is her daughter,she didn't get involved in the quest.She stayed there.I'm not blaming her,I'm the director.Borris was being a dumb duck(or goose),and the polar bears were so stupid!Other than that,the others were okay.I like WQ, but some things needed to be changed.

74-108043194731 Mar 2004, 23:48 UTC

Quote (Ayipuyi @ Mar. 31 2004,5:23, pm)

Agreed! Shoot, in the first movie, she ran to find Balto, who went to save the town! Why did she listen to the stupid @$$ goose!?!?!?!? Jenna, Jenna, what did they do to you? *cries*

Also, it would have been awesome for the town to actually remember that Balto saved them from destruction! I mean, when people started to adopt the pups, nobody seemed to notice that there in front of them was the dog that saved them earlier!

The little yapping dog was the stupidest thing ever!!! I hate that THING more than Boris, and I don't like him at all!
Anyway, why would that little dog be in such a cold area of the world anyway? That sounds stupid . . . .

~weirdness.in.motion.

84-107904132506 Apr 2004, 22:47 UTC

OCK! Balto was very, very, very feeble in the second movie. :angry:

65-107815589706 Apr 2004, 22:58 UTC

Yes he was.

84-107904132507 Apr 2004, 00:31 UTC

Good... I'm not alone

82-107524931907 Apr 2004, 02:18 UTC

I'm glad they didn't have Jenna go after Balto and Aleu. A full blooded dog, staying within a pack of wolves.. that wouldn't have worked out all that well.

Boris, Muk, Luk and that little dog.. no comment.

65-107815589707 Apr 2004, 13:12 UTC

That's true. Some of the wolves didn't like Balto and Aleu being mutts, so a pure bred dog probably wouldn't have been very good.

On the little dog...he was not necessary. I think that Star or Kaltag or Nikki...even for a brief moment...would have been more fitting.

72-106196060907 Apr 2004, 19:49 UTC

I don't know, I still think that Jenna's *true* persona would have been out there in search of Aleu. Sure the other wolves might not have "accepted" her, but I wager that jenna couldn't care less about what they thought of her. Think of it: She took on a huge bear that was at least 20 times her size without hesitation! She knew that she couldn't possibly win in that fight, but she tried to at least distract the bear in the hopes of allowing everyone to escape. Hell, jenna faired the worse from that bear. (Yes balto nearly drowned and froze to death, but that wasn't anything jenna couldn't remedy. :;):

Heh, I fear that if jenna snuggled with balto any longer he would have melted into puttee.

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So no offense, but I think a ticked off bear would be more intimidating than a few wolves.

�Thus I don't think jenna would have had any trouble "dealing" with the wolves. � :cool:

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Ja, that little dog annoyed me beyond reason! I wanted to feed him to "Fifi" the second I laid eyes on him. -_- I think that little dog grew down in the coffee farms of South America or in Starbucks, seeing as how hyper he was. o_O

65-107815589707 Apr 2004, 19:59 UTC

LOL!

I agree, Hybrid!

I think you're right about Jenna. Honestly, that was my thought, too. I simply was suggesting one reason why she didn't go with Balto. Balto really had no idea that he'd run into a pack of wolves while looking for Aleu, anyway. And Jenna would sure be stubborn enough to insist on going. In fact, she probably wouldn't bother to insist. She'd most likely just go!

82-107524931908 Apr 2004, 02:10 UTC

I thought Balto had the worst of it, when it came down to the bear. I mean, the bear was crushing him with his paw and came close of killing him.

72-106196060908 Apr 2004, 02:55 UTC

True Balto did have that bear pushing on him with his paw/foot, but nothing was broken or sprained. (Due mainly to all of that snow acting as a sort of cushion) Jenna, however, actually had a sprained ankle and had to be medivaced out of the forest by Muk, Luk and Boris. If it were not for those 3, I fear Jenna would have died out there. >_> So even though everyone in the "pack" of theirs got attacked by the bear I think it was Jenna who got injured the most.

Aneiryu: Ja, Jenna is a bit stubborn. :;):

I wouldn't be surprised if she had a bit o' Irish in her.^^

74-108043194708 Apr 2004, 21:05 UTC

Is it just me, or wouldn't it be nice to have seen Rosy in the second movie? Jenna mentioned her a few times, but she wasn't seen . . . . . strangeness . . .

And, Hybrid . . . .

Jenna could be Irish . . . .her fur is reddish like a Irish lassie . . . lol

~my.two.sense

65-107836033808 Apr 2004, 23:20 UTC

An Irish husky?Hmm.......interesting.I imagened Jenna doing that Irish dance. :laugh:

Juuchan is right.Rosie should have been in at least 1 scene!Aleu's mom is her dog,but she probably doesn't care about that.I didn't really like Rosie in the first place.

84-107904132509 Apr 2004, 00:00 UTC

humm... No.... All huskies are called Siberian Huskies...

K? I know from dog books all over... :cool:

65-107836033809 Apr 2004, 00:04 UTC

Thunder,I've heard of Alaskan Huskies.They're th ones that run races.Siberians are too small.They're the showy type.

70-106196059209 Apr 2004, 09:36 UTC

Actually all true huskies are Siberians. They are the only breed officially called a Husky. Second they aren't just for show, they are used along side the "Alaskans" to race with, infact I used to race Siberians myself.

Also Alaskans aren't actually a breed of husky, they are cross breeds and mongrels, usually Siberian huskies crossed with hounds like grey hounds for speed.

65-106196052909 Apr 2004, 16:31 UTC

Siberians are the only "true" huskies. Alaskan huskies are sled dogs. Unlike most breeds, including Siberians, which are defined by genetics or appearance, Alaskan huskies are defined as a breed by behavior and physical characteristics; if a dog is not a good endurance runner, for example, or it gets freaked out by other dogs and can't run in a team, it is not an Alaskan husky, even if both of its parents are. This is why kennel clubs like the AKC don't recognize Alaskans as an official breed. They're defined differently.

At least, this is my understanding of it.

67-106196056509 Apr 2004, 21:29 UTC

I have to agree with Ag and Fluke on Siberian and Alaskan Huskies. Basically the Siberian Husky has been split into three groups. The first group is show dogs, which most people see and own. The second group is your dual-purpose dogs, which are both shown and compete in races. Karen Ramstead, who completed the Iditarod this year with a time of 12 days, 8 hours, 0 minutes, and 4 second, both shows and races her dogs. The last group of Sibes is those that are bred for racing

These days, pure Siberian Husky teams (or any registered breed) almost always do not win any type of open breed race. For example, Ramstead was almost three days behind the first place team. The record for a pure Siberian team in the Iditarod is 12 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes, and 4 seconds, which was set in 1998 by Shawn Sidelinger. Martin Buser set the current winning time record in 2002 with a time of 8 days, 22 hours, 46 minutes, and 2 seconds.

An almost pure Siberian team did win the Beargrease Marathon this year. I say almost because the wheel dogs were Alaskans. However, as I said above, this is a really rare event in sled dog racing. In addition, that team trained on the trail that the Beargrease is run on.

Alaskans are somewhat smaller than Siberians. Their coat is not as thick as other northern and Spitz-type breeds. It has been found in the sled dog racing world that bigger dogs are not as fast as smaller dogs. When Siberians were first introduced in Alaska and New England, people thought that they were too small. But the Siberian teams started winning the All-Alaska Sweepstakes in 1910 and pretty much dominated the race until it ended in 1919. The same thing happened in New England.

74-108043194710 Apr 2004, 21:55 UTC

Hee hee . . . .

Let me get this straight . . . I only said that "Irish husky" comment as a joke . . . . Let's not get too off topic, right?

Anyway, it would have been interesting to see other "minor" characters from the first movie in the sequel . . . let's hope that some of them could be in the third movie . . .

Such characters as:
~ The White Wolf / Aniu: Would be nice to see her again . . maybe more of Balto's hidden past could be revealed, since this is about him and such . . .
~ Rosy: Maybe . . . . maybe not . . . if she was one of the major parts of why Balto became a hero in the first place, why was she only mentioned in the sequel and not in it? Would be interesting to add her in the third movie, if Jenna plays the role of "Mom" again . . .
~The trio: Please !!! Show the original trio again! I think that they were the complete comedy of the original movie, and the "copycat" trio in B2 were stupidly made, not as funny as Nikki, Kaltag, and Star (Star's my fav! Why would they not put that cute face back on the screen?).

Characters that should be avoided in 3rd movie:
*Warning: this is my own opinion . . . . .*
~Boris: Go Back to Russia, You Goose! He's such a stupid character and completely is worthless . . . . .
~Muk and Luk: Do polar bears grow up? These ones should! Sure, they bring a bit a comedic relief, but they should go on their own adventure and get lost . . . Maybe some idiot should make a movie about Muk, Luk, and Boris on an adventure to find their "real home" . . . .
~That stupid-*** little dog in B2: Good lord! He's as annoying as that dog on the "Duck Hunt" video game! You want to shoot and kill him instead of the ducks, but unlike the ducks, he won't die!!!!! *screams in murderous rage* :angry:

That is all . . . . for now . . .
~rant.alert.rant.alert

68-108173602517 Apr 2004, 21:31 UTC

In WQ Balto did not howl but in the frist one he did I thaught he knew how to howl after the frist movie

97-106196079830 Apr 2004, 01:00 UTC

all i know is that the people who worked on Wolf Quest watched too much of Lion King II and not enough of Balto I

83-108302525630 Apr 2004, 03:13 UTC

It would've been nice to see Sylvie and Dixie again I though it was weired that They Weren't there to give Their regards to Jenna on becoming a Mother, They were Her best friends after all

115-108568278506 Jul 2004, 11:20 UTC

I agree with the fact the original characters acted differently in this sequel, the fact is: with the original writers back, how will the characters act in Balto 3? More like B1 or a mix between B1 and B2? Argh; can't wait to see it :;):

The fact is, I'm sure the story in Balto 3 will be well separated from Balto 2, like they did with Balto 2 in which everything from Balto 1 was forgotten.

83-108302525607 Jul 2004, 03:10 UTC

Quote (steetboris @ July 06 2004,6:20, am)

I'm sure the story in Balto 3 will be well separated from Balto 2, like they did with Balto 2 in which everything from Balto 1 was forgotten.

Not everything was forgoten, The Puppies were in the Medicine Box remember? As for Balto acting Different. Well Fatherhood changes a Man(At least I think it's safe to assume that). Who Knows maybe Balto 2 will be handeled like An American Tail 2 was. I hope not though. Even though It had some weak spots I Loved Balto 2

98-109132677002 Aug 2004, 01:21 UTC

Gosh... Guess I wasn't the only one who think Jenna went through a complete transformation. It's as if she lost all her aggressiveness, which made her such a likeable character in the first movie. I just hope that for third movie, the directors put back some of the flair into Jenna that was taken away. Also, is it just me, or is the relationship between Jenna and Balto not as strong in Wolf Quest as in the first Balto?

83-108302525602 Aug 2004, 04:36 UTC

Quote (b12wq430 @ Aug. 01 2004,8:21, pm)

the relationship between Jenna and Balto not as strong in Wolf Quest as in the first Balto?

I'd think it was stronger. After all They had Puppies

That sort of makes Them a Married Couple(In animated animal terms). That lived in seperate Houses for some strange reason

I think the reason Jenna let Boris talk Her out of fallowing Balto is because She Trusts Balto more. With The original writers back I'm sure characterasation(SP?) will be great

115-108568278502 Aug 2004, 06:34 UTC

So it seems there is at least one point that everyone agree : Jenna was different in WQ.

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the relationship between Jenna and Balto not as strong in Wolf Quest as in the first Balto?

Well maybe, if you take the example after the 2nd nightmare, when Jenna calls Balto, he says : "Jenna? Oh no...." and he doesn't sound really happy

66-109077823002 Aug 2004, 12:01 UTC

Well, in my opinon, i think he sounded like that in the dream because of all the bad things that were happening to him in those dreams (all the ice breaking up, the raven, etc.) he was possibly afraid that it would show a vision of jenna getting hurt or something similar to that...

83-108302525603 Aug 2004, 00:32 UTC

I think it was a case of it being more like, Oh No I forgot I was suposst to wach the Puppies. As Balto tried to cover Up when Jenna asked Him :laugh:

(As Joshua pointed out in another thred)

98-108879604717 Aug 2004, 01:21 UTC

Quote (Ayipuyi @ Mar. 31 2004,5:23, pm)

I agree with Ayipuyi I liked Wolf Quest but it really didn't go up to the rating of the first Balto. Balto is a Heart-warming story about a brave canine that saves the lives of innocent children and a true story I may add. So the whole Spirits and wall paintings didn't really match the first story and I really hope that Jenna gets her spunk back and Boris is funny again and that Muk and Luk are to cute little Polar bears that think that a goose is their uncle. Also that Balto continues his breath-taking journey of the crisp and harsh wild north.

Now I think that was a awesome speach I gave so thats what I think!

79-109362624027 Aug 2004, 17:46 UTC

*claps paws together for baltolover's speech* beautiful...just beautiful

imo, i kinda liked how they did the dog side of him in the first, then the wolf heritage in the 2nd.
but yeah, jenna is an important chara, so lets hope more of her and the original charas are in it. and, as BL said, boris needs to be funny again and muk and luk need to go back to being less anoying.

115-108568278528 Aug 2004, 07:45 UTC

Boris & Muk & Luk HAVE to be more funny this time, as it seems they will have a bigger part in B3...And, if they aren't funny, at least I hope they're more useful than in B2!

74-108043194730 Aug 2004, 01:47 UTC

Quote (SimbasGuard @ Aug. 02 2004,12:36, am)

�I think the reason Jenna let Boris talk Her out of fallowing Balto is because She Trusts Balto more.

That wasn't trust there. Jenna was just as worried about Aleu as Balto was. You could tell by her eager voice when she said she wanted to help look for her. She was only stopped by Boris because of the whole "they-are-similar-because-of-the-whole-"part-wolf" situation. That's when she soon realized the fact that because of their similarities, they would probably be able to understand their situation better than she would have been. (Don't forget, her personality of "strong-kick-butt husky" has changed to "devoted-mother-of-six husky")
I betcha that if Boris didn't convince her to not follow them, she would have gone to search for them anyway. (Almost like in the first one, but she left him that time too . . . )

75-109339658330 Aug 2004, 03:00 UTC

Yeah, I didn't understand what was up with the scottish terrier either, and found himto be a great annoyance

83-108302525630 Aug 2004, 05:39 UTC

Quote (Juuchan17 @ Aug. 29 2004,8:47, pm)

That wasn't trust there. She was only stopped by Boris because of the whole "they-are-similar-because-of-the-whole-"part-wolf" situation. That's when she soon realized the fact that because of their similarities, they would probably be able to understand their situation better than she would have been.

Trusting Someone dosen't mean You doin't worry. So to Me it still sounds like trust. I agree with You that Jenna would have followed Balto had it not been for Boris. The only reason Jenna left Balto in the First movie is because She was hurt

75-109339658330 Aug 2004, 13:49 UTC

*nod* That sounds bout right. I do remember Jenna getting real snippy with Boris as to Aleu's whereabouts

74-108043194730 Aug 2004, 20:35 UTC

But also Boris knows how adventurous she is too. I guess maybe he was concerned for her own safety (maybe she was expecting more puppies?) since she got hurt last time . . . .

I think maybe Jenna should have just gone ahead and searched for Aleu too. But since the movie was mainly focused on the "father-daughter half-wolfhood crap", I guess the writers decided not to let Jenna be as strong of a character like she was in the original.

79-109362624030 Aug 2004, 23:11 UTC

plus, they had enough characters to worry about, introducing nava's pack and all. it's almost like an rp, if you have to many charas you play to worry about, some get forgotten in the midts of whats going on.

83-108302525631 Aug 2004, 04:21 UTC

Quote (Juuchan17 @ Aug. 30 2004,3:35, pm)

I think maybe Jenna should have just gone ahead and searched for Aleu too.

One other thing that may have factored into Jenna's choising to stay Home is that Rosy would have worried if Jenna went missing

84-106196075631 Aug 2004, 05:51 UTC

Quote (Aneiryu @ Mar. 31 2004,11:48, am)

If you ask me, and you didnt..when i first saw that my first thought was "scandelous!!!". what kind of message is that going to teach kids anyways? That its okay to have a kid with a guy and not be attached to him at all? Mmmk.

I think the polar bears need to go. im very upset at the possibility that they are in the next movie (and still cubs, mind you)

79-109362624031 Aug 2004, 10:34 UTC

yes! they should have grown with aleu or at least got a bit bigger. but since they're comic relife and it's a kid's movie, i hardly doubt they'll get any bigger...

82-107524931931 Aug 2004, 16:35 UTC

Boris shouldn't be in the third one either. I don't care if he's part of Balto's life, he's about as annoying as those two stupid polar bears.

I'm glad they didn't have Jenna follow Balto in the sequel. It would've looked highly stupid if they had Jenna be with Balto, especially with the pack of wolves.

74-108043194701 Sep 2004, 01:14 UTC

Quote (Ookami @ Aug. 31 2004,6:34, am)

yes! they should have grown with aleu or at least got a bit bigger. but since they're comic relife and it's a kid's movie, i hardly doubt they'll get any bigger...

I agree that they should have grown up by now. I mean in some other sequels, there have been some minor/ comic relief characters that have grown up with the main charas (i.e.: Flounder in TLM/2, and any others . . . . )

It must suck to see your friends grow older and you remian the same size that you were in the original story . . . .

83-108302525601 Sep 2004, 08:53 UTC

Quote (RustedWolf_Fox @ Aug. 31 2004,11:35, am)

I'm glad they didn't have Jenna follow Balto in the sequel. It would've looked highly stupid if they had Jenna be with Balto, especially with the pack of wolves.

I wold've liked to see more of Jenna, But You're right having Jenna with would've benn a big problem when They encountered The Wolf Pack. It might even prevented The Pack from accepting Aleu as a Wolf