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A villian for b3?
Started by Eurohybrid62 on 15 Feb 2005, 03:19 UTC · 39 preserved posts
69-110464574415 Feb 2005, 03:19 UTC
Well, I was a bit surprised when I found out there wasn't a villian for B3, and I was wondering how the movie would have been different had there been a villian. Should have there been one, or not?
I don't think there should have been a villian, since a villian doesn't seem suitable for the atmosphere in B3.
70-109096490515 Feb 2005, 03:37 UTC
You're absolutly right! Wasn't the guy in the airplane suppose to be the villian, kinda though?
83-108302525615 Feb 2005, 05:14 UTC
| Quote (Firewolf @ Feb. 14 2005,9:37) |
| Wasn't the guy in the airplane suppose to be the villian, kinda though? |
I'd say more of an Opponent than a Villian. Duke clearly was not Evil. I was surprised that there wasn't a villian in "Balto 3", But the plot was so simple(And I mean that as a complament)adding a Villain to the story would have been a hinderance rather than a help74-108043194715 Feb 2005, 05:16 UTC
| Quote (Firewolf @ Feb. 14 2005,10:37) |
| You're absolutly right! Wasn't the guy in the airplane suppose to be the villian, kinda though? |
To the sled dogs, yes, Duke was a villain. But then Balto, who was right all along about Duke IMO, helped set things straight.
I really don't think there was a clear, flat-out evil character (like as in the previous Balto movies). Every character was pretty much equal.
And that's a good thing! 
115-108568278515 Feb 2005, 10:00 UTC
Yes, it's pretty rare that there is no big villain in an animated film. Especially in an DTV!! That was a good thing, it wouldn't have added anything to the story.
But I still hope that if there's a B4, there will be one 
83-106196071115 Feb 2005, 11:34 UTC
There was the two mooses, but it was very shortly.
74-108043194715 Feb 2005, 13:38 UTC
| Quote (Shenzifan @ Feb. 15 2005,6:34) |
| There was the two mooses, but it was very shortly. |
Um . . . the "moose" didn't seem like villians to me. They were both stupid and pointless . . . . a "roadblock" if I may say, but definitely not villianous characters.
Yes, I meant both moose. (Moose is the plural form of moose)87-110773702015 Feb 2005, 20:45 UTC
I wasn't suprised there wasn't a villian in B3. I was really hoping for a twist in the movie, even before they announced the arrival date. I guess i got my wish *shrugs*. Anyways, having a villian in B3 does not really fit in the storyline at all. I can't imagine why they would even put a villian in B3. 
Wolfen~ takes a nap. 65-110464296216 Feb 2005, 02:58 UTC
I know this is going to sound unusual, but I think that Kodi was the villian at the beginning....he didn't care about the pilot and wether or not he would freeze to death. He then realized how bad he was at it and helped Balto retreive Duke XD
74-108043194716 Feb 2005, 03:08 UTC
| Quote (Alpine @ Feb. 15 2005,9:58) |
| I know this is going to sound unusual, but I think that Kodi was the villian at the beginning....he didn't care about the pilot and wether or not he would freeze to death. He then realized how bad he was at it and helped Balto retreive Duke XD |
Hmm . . . I never thought of that. That does sound about right too.
That's scary . . . Kodi, a villian?! I see your point, Alpine. That works too . . .83-108302525616 Feb 2005, 07:07 UTC
| Quote (Juuchan17 @ Feb. 15 2005,9:08) |
| Kodi, a villian?! I see your point, Alpine. That works too . . . |
I have to Politely disagree with that Kodi Himself said He didn't believe Duke was out There. To steetboris: I also hope for A Villian in "Balto 4"..... Steele 
118-110644348716 Feb 2005, 16:59 UTC
I never really noticed there being no villan in Balto 3, which I think was a good move. I think they could've done without the moose scene, that did nothing to the story.
As for a villan in Balto 4, I don't think it really matters.
98-108879604716 Feb 2005, 23:37 UTC
| Quote (Firewolf @ Feb. 14 2005,10:37) |
| You're absolutly right! Wasn't the guy in the airplane suppose to be the villian, kinda though? |
Yeah I think Duke was kinda thought to be the villian of the story...108-110684124716 Feb 2005, 23:39 UTC
Balto 3 was a surprisingly good film for not having a villian. I think they are trying to move away from the cliched "Disney style" films which are heavily villian dependent. WoC seemed a lot more like a character development genre film which rarely have villian characters at all. Even Balto 2 seemed to be an attempt at Character Developement, lowering the "villian level," meaning the antagonist character(s) were not nearly as evil as Steele. Balto 3 did much better.
83-108302525617 Feb 2005, 05:34 UTC
| Quote (baltolover99 @ Feb. 16 2005,5:37) |
| Yeah I think Duke was kinda thought to be the villian of the story... |
I can't reguard Duke as The Villian simplely because I equate villian with evil. Wich Duke was not74-108043194717 Feb 2005, 05:43 UTC
| Quote (Alpine @ Feb. 15 2005,9:58) |
| I know this is going to sound unusual, but I think that Kodi was the villian at the beginning....he didn't care about the pilot and wether or not he would freeze to death. He then realized how bad he was at it and helped Balto retreive Duke XD |
Actually, now that I think about it, the only reason Kodi said he didn't care was because he only cared about keeping his job. Bonus points if you got the fact that the other sled dogs were there as well. (You know, following the bandwagon and all . . .)
He's just a young teenager inside, still learning vital lessons about the importance of life and of change. Yeah, he had bad judgment at first and followed his new friends instead of his dear old dad, but after a while (and a talk with Mommy Dearest), he soon realized his mistake and stood up for what was right, whatever the consequences were (losing his job and his new friends, any type of danger in the wilderness, etc.).
So Kodi really wasn't a villian; he just didn't know any better at the time. I guess it was a lesson for him to learn that helped him show his friends and everyone else that he had what he takes to be a real leader, just like his famous father.
(Gosh, it was that long?)
I hope this helps in a way . . . . 115-108568278517 Feb 2005, 09:03 UTC
That's another good point of the film : I hate that in most animated films, especially in DTV sequels, children are always right. It's probably the first time that I see the parents to be right and not the contrary; especially since it's nearly always the case in real life (parents are more experienced). I think that's something they should do more often in the animated films, because doing the contrary is only fooling the children, by making them thinking that they shouldn't trust their parents.
74-108043194717 Feb 2005, 16:40 UTC
| Quote (steetboris @ Feb. 17 2005,4:03) |
| That's another good point of the film : I hate that in most animated films, especially in DTV sequels, children are always right. It's probably the first time that I see the parents to be right and not the contrary; especially since it's nearly always the case in real life (parents are more experienced). I think that's something they should do more often in the animated films, because doing the contrary is only fooling the children, by making them thinking that they shouldn't trust their parents. |
Would you agree with me if I said that Wolf Quest showed the child being right (I hope that's right anyway)?
I mean, Balto was pretty much out of character anyway throughout the climax/ending of the movie (ever since Nava said that someone "who was wolf but does not know" crap anyway). Shoot, everyone automatically pointed to Balto. Odd, ne?
(actually, Balto didn't seem like much of a leader in WQ anyway. thank goodness that changed in WoC. At least I was pleased! )115-108568278517 Feb 2005, 17:25 UTC
Of course I agree. I thought it was obvious. But as I said it's the case in 95% of the DTV sequels in which the original characters have children.
74-108043194717 Feb 2005, 21:15 UTC
| Quote (steetboris @ Feb. 17 2005,12:25) |
| Of course I agree. I thought it was obvious. But as I said it's the case in 95% of the DTV sequels in which the original characters have children. |
Mainly the ones that have a boy character and a girl character that end up falling in love with other or something . . . .
At least B&theB didn't have any "kiddie sequels" (= sequels that end up focusing on the children of the main characters) . . . . Thank God.
I liked the change of things in WoC (so many changes) . . . no real villian, the kid ends up wrong, only one dog sings . . . . . (I really can't dig singing animals for a strange reason, unless they sing well)
Yeah . . . it's all good . . .83-108302525618 Feb 2005, 06:03 UTC
| Quote (Juuchan17 @ Feb. 17 2005,10:40) |
| actually, Balto didn't seem like much of a leader in WQ anyway. |
I think Balto did seem like a leader in Wolf Quest. That is when He finally decided That He wanted to lead115-108568278518 Feb 2005, 09:27 UTC
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| At least B&theB didn't have any "kiddie sequels" |
Mmm, what is B&theB ? 
70-109096490518 Feb 2005, 19:56 UTC
| Quote (steetboris @ Feb. 18 2005,3:27) |
| Quote | | At least B&theB didn't have any "kiddie sequels" |
Mmm, what is B&theB ? � |
Beuty and the Beast, I think.115-108568278518 Feb 2005, 20:57 UTC
Oh, OK. Yes, that's right, and there's one good reason to that : they can't make a sequel that takes place after the end of the original, or Beast wouldn't be a beast... 
75-110615482421 Feb 2005, 21:35 UTC
I would say the "villan" was the elements of nature. Duke had no ill will, he wanted to make things better by having a faster way of transporting the mail.
74-110782676123 Feb 2005, 18:41 UTC
Hm, I noticed that too! it doesn't have to have a villian. It a problem for sleddogs cuz airplanes are new and faster then them. Kodi who takes the job seriously, he doesn't want to lose his job. The sled dogs thought the man was evil who tries to take away their jobs. But Kodi then realized what Jenna said to him. so every dog had to deal with it, Balto too. That a whole problem there. its still a good movie without a villain X3
Juuchan17's explaintion is very good indeed XD
70-109096490523 Feb 2005, 21:59 UTC
| Quote (steetboris @ Feb. 18 2005,2:57) |
| Oh, OK. Yes, that's right, and there's one good reason to that : they can't make a sequel that takes place after the end of the original, or Beast wouldn't be a beast... |
Actually they did make a sequel, well really, I wouldn't call it a sequel. It's Beauty and the Beast The Enchanted Christmas. We have it, for some odd reason.83-108302525624 Feb 2005, 03:59 UTC
| Quote (Firewolf @ Feb. 23 2005,3:59) |
| Beauty and the Beast The Enchanted Christmas. We have it, for some odd reason. |
I have that too. It's Disney's first Midquel(Actually I think It's the First Midquel Ever)70-109096490524 Feb 2005, 21:52 UTC
Midqule? What in the world is a "Midqule"?!
83-108302525625 Feb 2005, 06:18 UTC
| Quote (Firewolf @ Feb. 24 2005,3:52) |
| Midqule? What in the world is a "Midquel"?! |
Sorry I ment Midquel 
115-110950221401 Mar 2005, 13:06 UTC
In the third movie the story is about the advances and even the title reffers to changes, wich even if they arent shown as concrete facts they give you the feeling that things will never be the same.
A villan in this movie isnt necessary, if it would be one he will be a old anti-tehnology one who tries to avoid progress.
87-111007619506 Mar 2005, 16:20 UTC
I don't think it would fit in with the plot. 87-111007619506 Mar 2005, 19:17 UTC
I know this sounds crazy but i've changed my mind.I think Kodi is the villen he didn't want to help save Duke(I don't even think he is out there) 
83-108302525607 Mar 2005, 06:39 UTC
I can't think of Kodi as the villian, Because like You said. Kodi didn't even think Duke was out There. And He is the one Who convinces the other Dogs to go find Duke, After Jenna Guilt Trips Him(Moms are soooooooo good at that ) 87-111007619508 Mar 2005, 01:16 UTC
I agree with you SimbasGuard 78-110711749708 Mar 2005, 03:06 UTC
I thought it was actually a very mature storyline without a villain. The only 'villain' was progress, and even then it can be a good thing. It was about finding a happy medium between the old and the new- an issue we still deal with today.
It kind of reminded me of 'Open Range.' When the new comes in, it may be more convienient, but another way of life dies and a legend just kind of fades out.
It wasn't some cliched glory-hungry/power-hungry character that was giving everybody trouble. It was some real stuff they were dealing with. I dunno, maybe it just hit kind of close to home for me. I hate to see cities grow, wilderness ruined. I prefer the barking of sled dogs to the whirring of planes.
Ok, I'm just ranting now. Sorry bout that. 83-108302525608 Mar 2005, 06:51 UTC
well said Nashhoba You have nothing to be sorry for. 115-108568278508 Mar 2005, 06:55 UTC
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| I think Kodi is the villen he didn't want to help save Duke |
This is right, in some way...It's rare that in an animated sequel, the children does not go against their parents but against someone else, and see that he made an error...68-111072719513 Mar 2005, 16:05 UTC
The movie B3 was very good, but I really think it should've had more situations and alot of drama. I'm glad there was no villians in this B3 movie. But I think that this movie should've been more situational to me.