Petition!

Balto-related, of course

Started by steetboris on 06 Mar 2005, 20:08 UTC · 117 preserved posts

115-108568278506 Mar 2005, 20:08 UTC

As some of you thought about making a petition, I studied a little the question, and I think we should do it. I've gathered some ideas, and here is a summary :

I assume everyone here is a Balto fan. And as such, you probably all know that this is not a very well known film, and that it deserves much more popularity. Since there are many improvements that Universal should do for that license, why not making a petition to let them know that there are more than enough fans of this film (or series)?

That's why I thought we wouldn't have anything to lose by making one. At worse, it will be ignored, and that's all. At best, Universal will answer to our calls...

Now, if we make a petition, it should be better to make the subject of the petition for something every Balto fan will agree with, in order to everyone can sign it. That's why I made this topic : I want everyone to give ideas.

For example, I thought of the following things :

- release a special edition of the Balto DVD, with widescreen, deleted scenes, commentaries and such things
- same things for the sequels (make them in widescreen)
- making a Balto video game
- restart making Balto merchandises (plushies, books...)
- release the soundtracks of the sequels on a CD

I also think we could host the petition on that site :

http://www.petitiononline.com/petition.html

And for more information on the petition, I'll refer you to the topic on my forums :

http://baltosource.timduru.org/board/ftopic330.html

65-106196054207 Mar 2005, 04:57 UTC

That sounds like a good idea, but just a little point I'd like to make: the Balto sequels weren't created in the widescreen format, therefore, in order to make them so, the studio would have to remake the movies from scratch.

This is one thing I like about Disney more than Universal: nearly all of their DTVs are anamorphic widescreen, obviously because they are much more high-budget than Universal's.

Heehee, I don't want to sound like I'm lecturing, I just thought I'd mention that small detail.

115-110950221407 Mar 2005, 05:12 UTC

I agree Steet Balto's marketing is very weak, and compared to some low quality pc games and movies who have overwhelming marketing, Balto diserves more!
And in my opionion:
Add localizing to that list.
Didnt find B3 in Romania, only on VHS which is very poor video quality.
So as a ending:
You have my vote!

65-108501507207 Mar 2005, 05:22 UTC

I guess a petition could work, it sounds good to me. But, eh, why in widescreen? Personally, I hate widescreen. :P The only bad thing is for the Balto video game, I need to buy a newer system. ^^;

83-108302525607 Mar 2005, 06:29 UTC

I don't care for wide screen either. But I will sighn a petitino to get Sequel Soundtracks. Just one thing would the petition be secure? I don't like useing My real Name on the Web

Or We could request That Universal release "Balto 4'(IF made)Worldwide at the same time

115-108568278507 Mar 2005, 07:49 UTC

Why widescreen??

Because if you didn't know yet, pan & scan (full screen) cut the movie, there are a lot of things you don't see in the US DVD which is full screen (nearly 1/3 of the film) compared to the european DVD which is widescreen. Look for yourself :

http://www.geocities.com/istaswhitewolf/widescreen1.html

Pan & scan is an horror, a waste when it comes to films that were not made in full screen but 16/9 or worse...They either cut the image or even compress it...

I don't know if the names are displayed, but since petitiononline is a professionnal website, it must be secure. At worse you give a fake name, as long as you don't sign twice or more.

Not to bother you shdrex, but are you sure they didn't release it on DVD? That was something I thought we couldn't reproach to them, they are releasing their films in every country around the planet (Universal...) and make translations into every language, even little countries. But, I would maybe ask for better supplying and distribution, as B3 was not easily findable at its release, even in the US it seems.

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This is one thing I like about Disney more than Universal: nearly all of their DTVs are anamorphic widescreen, obviously because they are much more high-budget than Universal's.

Not always, think of the Aladdin sequels, or TLK 2, I don't think they had higher budgets but they re-released them in widescreen when they came out on dvd. (and not full screen, which was their original form) I would want the same to happen for the Balto sequels...They look so much better in widescreen (I know, I made a divx version for myself by compressing a little the image, and even like that it's so much better...)

83-106196071107 Mar 2005, 09:23 UTC

I want to see the first Balto in a SE.

65-106196054207 Mar 2005, 10:26 UTC

Quote (steetboris @ Mar. 06 2005,11:49)

Excellent analysis, Steet, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Actually, TLK 2 did have a DVD the year it was released(1998), and that disc was widescreen, and thus the film's original aspect ratio of 1:66:1(it was even released in some European theaters). �However, the disc itself was a Limited Edition, and non-anamorphic widescreen, the latter lowering its quality somewhat.

The worst example of cropping for fullscreen is when a film has a ratio of 2:35:1(this is the widest ratio, and also my favorite). In the case of these films, nearly half of the image is cropped.

Thanks for linking to my widescreen advocation page, Steet, I'm honored!

�I don't know what I'd do without that German Balto DVD.

115-108568278507 Mar 2005, 11:01 UTC

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Thanks for linking to my widescreen advocation page, Steet, I'm honored!

No thanks, that is the best analysis I know for the Balto dvds. And I've just noticed that I don't have a link to your website in my links...I'll add a link on my site at next update.

I think I saw somewhere where they wrote that TLK 2 was fullscreen, even on the first dvd, that's why I said that. So thanks for correcting that.

I will copy/paste here what I said on my forums :

Here's a temporary summary of the petition that I wrote myself :

Title :

Balto : A call from the fans

Text in front page :

Balto is an animated film that never got the recognition it should have had.
From year to year, the Balto community of fans has grown up and up, at the speed of people get to know of its existence.

We (Balto fans) feel that Universal never got to realize the potential of this license. We would want a better future for the Balto license than just making sequels after sequels in a "Land Before Time" way.
We have to let Universal know that there are a lot of Balto fans out there, especially in comparison of the (still small) number of people who got the chance to see it.

And as such, this animated film should be recognized the way it should be : as a great classic, which had great potential and yet never got to be well known because of a lack of advertising, weak efforts and wrong marketing choices (releasing the film at the same time as Toy Story was probably the biggest error possible...)
But, we feel that it's not too late, and there are a few things Universal should do to exploit their license in a good way.

A list of things Universal Pictures should do includes :

- release a special edition of the Balto DVD, with widescreen, deleted scenes, commentaries, a good cover,...and the same for the sequels,
- making a Balto video game,
- restart making Balto merchandises (plushies, books, t-shirts...),
- release the soundtracks of the sequels on a CD,
- a TV series,
- reshow the original film in theaters,
- build a Balto ride in one of Universal theme parks
- make a box-set with the three Balto films,
- better distribution (for example, Wings of Change was difficult to find at its release, even in the USA,
and the original Balto is still difficult to find...)

We would already be glad if Universal would realize one of these "fan wishes", because it would say that even big companies like Universal can understand the fans. We also think that both Universal and us (fans and customers) would win if such things were to happen.

So, if you like Balto and think that it deserves to be more popular,
sign the petition!

And the additional questions asked in the form :

Would you buy the products previously listed if they were released? Yes/No
What are your feelings about the Balto films?
Any other comments?

Tell me what do you think of it, and if there are things to add/change. I want that everyone agree with the petition, so that's why I don't want to make everything myself...I think there are also a lot of spelling and grammatical errors that need to be corrected...

100-109832446607 Mar 2005, 13:23 UTC

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- release the soundtracks of the sequels on a CD,
- a TV series,
- reshow the original film in theaters

I really hope they release the original films in theatre, but I know I will never get to see the soundtrack CD, as I hardly see any, especially if its animated, and I REALLY will never get to see a Balto tv series. Our useless cartoon studio here only shows animated cartoons that can put anyone off before you get to see it. Anyway, I somehow know i will never see it...*sighs*...

109-110769783807 Mar 2005, 13:39 UTC

i agree steet:blues:

116-109430913207 Mar 2005, 14:18 UTC

Great job Steet, your petition is nearly perfect, I don't know what add or change.

109-110769783807 Mar 2005, 14:24 UTC

Quote (togo @ Mar. 07 2005,3:18)

Great job Steet, your petition is nearly perfect, I don't know what add or change.

why you say it?? if you don't change anything, steet's petition are perfect

115-108568278507 Mar 2005, 17:17 UTC

Greykitty made some corrections to the petition, you'll find the new text on the topic on my forum. I'll wait a bit to see everyone's reaction to this.

109-110769783807 Mar 2005, 18:45 UTC

steet make the correction here

118-110644348707 Mar 2005, 19:09 UTC

There's one petition I won't sign. I would if it was just for Balto plush and a soundtrack for WoC, but I don't really want the other three.

109-110769783807 Mar 2005, 19:18 UTC

why not??? what's wrong for you??? :blues:

115-108568278507 Mar 2005, 19:26 UTC

Well, I don't expect everyone to agree with everything. Even the fans are really different one from each other.
It's not easy to do it so that most people will agree, though.
Don't forget that I added the question "Would you buy the products previously listed if they were released? Yes/No",
so in your case you could still sign and put "no" to that question.

118-110644348707 Mar 2005, 19:42 UTC

Or I don't sign and buy what I want. The only plush I want them to make is a Steele plush.

87-110773702007 Mar 2005, 23:00 UTC

Seetboris. I really like the way you set up the petition. But there are a few things that I don't agree with. First, I really don't think that making a Balto video game is a good idea for one of the reasons for the peition. So I will not sign for that reason. Second, I don't agree with the idea of a Balto T.V series. It would seem repetitive for Universal to make a series. So just the sequels to the movies is fine with me, but I will not sign this petition with the idea of a Balto series. I do however feel the need for Universal to continue the series. Anyways, good ideas for the petition steetboris, and TIB members.

Wolfen

70-110747806807 Mar 2005, 23:17 UTC

Yes, I agree with Wolfen about the video game. But I think a series would be kinda cool

118-110644348708 Mar 2005, 04:00 UTC

A TV series would only make destroy Balto, and I really don't think a series would do anything for Balto. I really don't think ADGTH*gags* TV series did anything for the two/three movies.

83-108302525608 Mar 2005, 06:30 UTC

Sounds good to Me steetboris. Even though I can't say I would buy all of the Things on the list. Maybe on the Would You Buy these products question You could add a Yes but only some. as I can't promsie to buy all of the above listed products. One other thing is I think We may have to use Our Real Names for this to have a Chance at all

115-108568278508 Mar 2005, 07:10 UTC

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Maybe on the Would You Buy these products question You could add a Yes but only some. as I can't promsie to buy all of the above listed products.

I thought it was obvious, I don't think most of you would buy everything of course...The problem is that you can't add options in the petitions, it is only Yes/No. But, I'll probably change the question with :
"Would you buy SOME of the products..."

And for the others who wouldn't sign because they don't agree with some of the listed things : You don't have to agree with everything to sign! They are only examples. No one will probably agree with everything, but how am I supposed to make a petition that everyone would agree with? Some would madly want a video game and a TV series, and some won't... Besides, you can add in the comments what you would be interested in.
I also believe that everything Universal can do Balto-related can help to make his popularity growing... do you really think it's a bad thing? Yes, the ADGTH series brought something : it brought some popularity to the films, or they would be even less popular today...

Edit : Let's put it this way : if I added the sentence "Of course, you don't have to be interested in everything previously listed to sign this petition. It is mostly here to let Universal know that there are more Balto fans than they think, and for that reason they should sometimes listen to us."
Do you think it would be better?
I would also like to know the opinion of the other Balto webmasters, because in order to get the biggest number of signatures, they would need to put a link to the petition on their website. And if they don't agree with the petition, it would be better to let me know that now, before I put it online...So, if some of you see this topic...I need to know your opinion on it...(Silver huskey, Acanis, Silver wolf, Glacier...)

109-110769783808 Mar 2005, 16:51 UTC

i agree:blues:

83-108302525609 Mar 2005, 05:14 UTC

With the change You mentioned steetboris. The Petition sounds Perfect.

115-108568278509 Mar 2005, 09:12 UTC

Here's a new version :

Title :

Balto : A call from the fans

Text in front page :

Balto is an animated film that never got the recognition it should have.
From year to year, the Balto community of fans has grown, at the speed of people who get to know of its existence.

We (Balto fans) feel that Universal never realized the potential of this license. We wish for the Balto license to have a better future, rather than just making sequel after sequel as has been done with the "Land Before Time" series.
We want to let Universal know that there are a lot of Balto fans out there, especially in comparison to the (still small) number of people who got the chance to see it.

As such, this animated film should be recognized the way it should be: as a great classic, which had great potential and yet never became well known due to a lack of advertising, weak efforts and wrong marketing choices (releasing the film at the same time as Toy Story was probably the biggest error possible...)
But, we feel that it's not too late, and there are a few things Universal could do to exploit their license in a good way.

A list of things Universal Pictures could do includes:

- Release a special edition of the Balto DVD, with widescreen, deleted scenes, commentaries, a good cover,...and the same for the sequels,
- Making a Balto video game,
- Restart making Balto merchandises (plushies, books, t-shirts...),
- Release the soundtracks of the sequels on a CD,
- A TV series,
- Reshow the original film in theaters,
- Build a Balto ride in one of Universal theme parks
- Make a box set with the three Balto films,
- Better distribution (for example, Wings of Change was difficult to find at its release, even in the USA,
And the original Balto is still difficult to find...)

We would be glad if Universal would realize just one of these "fan wishes", because it would say that even big companies like Universal can understand the fans. We also think that both Universal and us (fans and customers) would win if such things were to happen.

Of course, you don't have to be interested in everything previously listed to sign this petition. It is mostly here to let Universal know that there are more Balto fans than they think, and for that reason they should sometimes listen to us.

So, if you like Balto and think that it deserves to be more popular,
sign the petition!

And the additional questions asked in the form :

Would you buy some of the products previously listed if they were released? Yes/No
What are your feelings about the Balto films?
Any other comments?

116-109430913209 Mar 2005, 15:54 UTC

I'm ready to sign the petition Steet, I'm introducing it on my site.

109-110769783809 Mar 2005, 16:02 UTC

nice steet

87-110773702009 Mar 2005, 20:03 UTC

Good! It looks pretty well organized to me, steet! I guess I'm ready to sign it!!!!!!

But first, where do I sign the petition? Please tell me!

Wolfen

115-108568278509 Mar 2005, 22:06 UTC

Well, thanks, but it's not online yet. I want to know the opinion of the other Balto webmasters before, that's why I sent them all an email this morning, I didn't get any answer yet...
Just wait a little bit.

65-108501507210 Mar 2005, 03:36 UTC

Let us know when you get the petition out. =)

But, eh, I dunno about a TV series. Since no one really knows/cares about Balto, it probably wouldn't we viewed very much. Plus, think of how corny it would be. =/

72-106196060910 Mar 2005, 04:44 UTC

I don't know if this has already been said or not, but I think that asking for a Balto video game is asking for too much. Making video games is a long and costly endevour, and we all know that Universal isn't big on spending cash.

Good idea though, this petition is. :cool:

83-108302525610 Mar 2005, 05:48 UTC

To steetboris: You nailed It

You can count on My signature as soon as The Petition is ready

116-109430913210 Mar 2005, 15:00 UTC

All the members in my forum are ready to sign the petition Steet.

71-106196059610 Mar 2005, 15:09 UTC

What you have proposed is a good idea, Steet, but a few small things to note.. firstly, a Balto video game would be going a tad overboard (they'll never make their returns on it). �The movie industry is mostly about money (though many would say they enjoy their jobs there)...they wouldn't really do any of what you're requesting unless it would bring in more profits for them - just something to bear in mind. �The only thing I would request in a petition is not in your list - to keep up with the original standards of the original movie. �They did a reasonable job with Balto 3 from what I hear, but then again I only say that because WQ was a total embarrassment.

They should realize that many fans of Balto 1 are still fans now (which this petition will prove). �I would give anything to see a Balto 4 come out at closer standards to the original movie. �Votes from *fans of prequels* should (I hope) make a difference in this regard to the possible outcome of any sequel. �I should hope they realize that fans do grow up (some of them, anyway)...The last thing I want to see is a sequel to Balto 3 with a sequel to stella's song! �So for that reason I support the petition. �If you want to mention something about the standards of any possible sequel, that would be good. �I would, however, strongly urge against a TV series, as there is no doubt they will be 10x worse than WQ and will flood our somewhat mature-ish forums with little kids screaming "the sky is blue. i have a pet dog named spot. �i love my horse."

109-110769783810 Mar 2005, 15:11 UTC

steet you are so intelligent!!!!

115-108568278510 Mar 2005, 15:52 UTC

Thanks for the answer, Glacier

I think some things are contradictory. Someone said that they made a LBT video game (which is true, even if it's not really good...they even made three LBT video games, in fact). And then some of you say that making a video game would be too much money for Universal... If LBT had three games, I believe a Balto game could have "as much" success. And since it's Balto, it would have all chances to be at least better than a LBT one. But that's only my opinion, of course. This may be selfish, but...I would prefer to leave it on the petition. (after all, some other fans said they would want one, too...)

When you say "to keep up with the original standards of the original movie", and if by that you mean an higher budget, I personally think it would be even less probable than making a game...Well, only the future will tell us. I just hope the petition will have an effect, even small. (for example, if they would release a pack with the three movies because of this petition, it would already be goodI think...) Of course, I wish they would do more than that.

Well, I can still that line on the petition, for example :
"- For the sequels, keep up with the original standards of the original movie. Always base the sequels on the original, and not on substories of the sequels."
Would it be better? (is it a correct sentence, gramatically-speaking?)

muk&luklover : this has nothing to do with intelligence, just xperience

(after nearly one year of hearing comments from Balto fans of all sorts...)

Even when I will post it online, you'll have to wait a few days until it is activated on the site (they check the petitions before putting them online. Petitiononline.com is a very serious site)

109-110769783810 Mar 2005, 19:03 UTC

ok you are so expert

87-110773702010 Mar 2005, 21:44 UTC

Steet, the Balto video game is too much. I really don't think universal would answer to that. Like Glacier said (hey Glacier, where have you been?) "The people at universal only care for the money they make, not the popolarity of Balto." If you keep that Balto video game on the petition, it could ruin our chances for trying to make universal react towards this petiton. I guess only the future will tell us if it works. As for the sentence about the Balto sequels, I think it is good. But maybe you could rewrite it. Like this:
"- As for the sequels for upcoming Balto movies, keep up the original standards from the first movie. Always base the sequels on the original, not substories."

Does this sound better?

Wolfen

115-108568278510 Mar 2005, 22:17 UTC

Yes, the sentence looks nicer like that, thanks

I don't think I'll remove the game. I had this poll on my site, and here's the results :

Would you like a real Balto video game, on consoles or PC?

Yes !
79%
Maybe
8%
I don't care
6%
No, bad idea
7%

204 votes.

I'm trying to do what is the best for the majority, and I don't think removing it would...I still don't get what you fear by that. It's not more money costing than any other thing I listed there.
If you don't believe me that Universal made games for LBT, then
check on Gamefaqs.com . They also made a Fievel game not so long ago. Why would it be utopic to see a Balto one?

Anyway, I may post it online soon now...Let's say, tomorrow. (unless there are some more changes...)

71-106196059610 Mar 2005, 22:24 UTC

I think asking them so directly for another sequel at the same quality as the original movie is going a bit far...they would and could never do that - BUT.. once they see that there are more fans than they thought, they will perhaps think of putting more into a possible sequel than they might have otherwise. Having them aware that most fans do want something more along the lines of the original (not necessarily in terms of budget & quality, but maturity level and dialogue) would be a good tip, but word it a tad more discretely IMO or they'll think we just want them to blow their budget creating another Balto I.

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hey Glacier, where have you been?

I've been around...not here though. I haven't been here in probably about 2 years

I still watch TBL, but make around 2 or 3 posts a year on average.. I'm mostly around the shout box & forum on my site these days, Balto Central.

87-110773702010 Mar 2005, 22:26 UTC

Your welcome steet!!!!! I'm glad I could help out. As for the video game, if that's what the majority thinks, then I say "It's alright with me". I guess your right about the game. Anyways, the petition looks all set to me. Post it up now!

Wolfen

115-108568278510 Mar 2005, 22:46 UTC

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Having them aware that most fans do want something more along the lines of the original (not necessarily in terms of budget & quality, but maturity level and dialogue) would be a good tip, but word it a tad more discretely

If you're talking about the sentence I added...What would you add, then?

115-110950221411 Mar 2005, 05:26 UTC

Dont think that making a video game, costs that much, even the junk games i played had some big profits, and these games are horrible.
If Universal does a good job, they wont lose money but will make it(in both Universal and the fans advantage).
But if they make this game please not a FPS or RPG (even if i love them), because they wont fit the storyline and would create a aberation.

115-108568278511 Mar 2005, 06:42 UTC

Yeah, a Balto FPS

And for kids

Nah, it's impossible; besides, I don't like FPS.
But, a RPG could be original...

71-106196059611 Mar 2005, 10:19 UTC

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For the sequels, keep up with the original standards of the original movie. Always base the sequels on the original, and not on substories of the sequels

I'd prefer something more along the lines of:
"Please bear in mind that many fans of the prequels are still around, and are expecting similar standards as those prequels. Many were disappointed with the drop not only in quality of animation and attention to detail, but with the target market, which seemed to shift more to a younger age group with the release of WQ for example."

115-108568278511 Mar 2005, 10:41 UTC

This sentence seems a bit long, unfortunately, and I'm not sure if everyone will agree when you quote WQ as an example...
I think I will gonna keep the sentence : "As for the sequels for upcoming Balto movies, keep up the original standards from the first movie. Always base the sequels on the original, not substories." Sorry...
...unless someone else disagree?

So, here's the (nearly) final version of the petition. I'll submit it today, so take the time to read it again, if there are things that seems wrong, anything, tell it now !!!

Title:

Balto: A call from the fans

Text in front page:

Balto is an animated film that never got the recognition it should have.
From year to year, the Balto community of fans has grown, at the speed of people who get to know of its existence.

We (Balto fans) feel that Universal never realized the potential of this license. We wish for the Balto license to have a better future, rather than just making sequel after sequel as has been done with the "Land Before Time" series.
We want to let Universal know that there are a lot of Balto fans out there, especially in comparison to the (still small) number of people who got the chance to see it.

This animated film should be recognized the way it ought to have been years ago: as a great classic, which had great potential, yet never became well known due to a lack of advertising, weak efforts, and wrong marketing choices (releasing the film at the same time as Toy Story was probably the biggest error possible.)
We (the fans) feel that it's not too late, and there are a few things Universal could do to exploit their license in a good way.

A list of things Universal Pictures could do, to promote Balto, includes:

- Release a special edition of the Balto DVD, with widescreen, deleted scenes, commentaries, a good cover, and the same for the sequels
- Make a Balto video game
- Restart making Balto merchandises (plushies, books, t-shirts...)
- Release the soundtracks of the sequels on a CD
- Create a TV series
- Reshow the original film in theaters
- Build a Balto ride in one of Universal theme parks
- Make a box set with the three Balto films
- Better distribution, worldwide (for example, Wings of Change was difficult to find at its release, even in the USA, and the original Balto is still difficult to find.)
- As for the sequels for upcoming Balto movies, keep up with the original standards from the first movie. Always base the sequels on the original, not substories.

We would be glad if Universal would realize just one of these "fan wishes", because it would say that even big companies like Universal can understand the fans. We also think that both Universal and the fans and customers would win if such things were to happen.

Of course, you don't have to be interested in everything previously listed to sign this petition. It is mostly here to let Universal know that there are more Balto fans than they think, and for that reason they should sometimes listen to us.

So, if you like Balto and think that it deserves to be more popular,
sign the petition!

And the additional questions asked in the form:

Would you buy some of the products previously listed if they were released? Yes/No
What are your feelings about the Balto films?
Any other comments?

115-110950221411 Mar 2005, 12:03 UTC

Quote (steetboris @ Mar. 11 2005,3:42)

Yeah, a Balto FPS

And for kids

Nah, it's impossible; besides, I don't like FPS.
But, a RPG could be original...

Dont know i think even i love RPGs that a Balto RPG would be out because just think about how the story must be and the sensation of for example - "Congratulations you are a level 5 dog/wolf".
But a arcade game would find its place or a adventure one would fit best for the Balto title.

115-108568278511 Mar 2005, 13:51 UTC

Yes, unless they would want to make it original, it would be arcade/platforms/adventure. I love adventure games, of any kinds

Anyway, can someone check the petition, for errors? I'm about to send it soon...(And I'll not be able to modify it after)

116-109430913211 Mar 2005, 15:51 UTC

Did you only add "As for the sequels for upcoming Balto movies..."?

115-108568278511 Mar 2005, 16:26 UTC

No, I've also added :
"Of course, you don't have to be interested in everything previously listed to sign this petition. It is mostly here to let Universal know that there are more Balto fans than they think, and for that reason they should sometimes listen to us."

and I modified :

Would you buy SOME of the products previously listed if they were released? Yes/No

116-109430913211 Mar 2005, 16:37 UTC

Thanks I didn't read it carefully.

109-110769783811 Mar 2005, 17:04 UTC

Quote (togo @ Mar. 11 2005,5:37)

Thanks I didn't read it carefully.

read carefully :angry:

115-108568278511 Mar 2005, 18:07 UTC

Here it is, the petition is online!

You'll find it here :

http://www.petitiononline.com/balto001/petition.html

Now, there's one thing important, that everyone can participate :

Talk about it! If you have a website, you can already use the link
above to put it on your site, but we'll also make some buttons you'll
be able to use. If you don't, but still know of some people who like
Balto, send them the link! Any help is important!

116-109430913211 Mar 2005, 18:43 UTC

I'll do my best for introduce your petition Steet.

109-110769783811 Mar 2005, 18:50 UTC

i have a website but it's about tennis not balto

116-109430913211 Mar 2005, 19:05 UTC

Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ Mar. 11 2005,1:50)

i have a website but it's about tennis not balto

What's the problem? Divulge the petition in your site too!

109-110769783811 Mar 2005, 19:10 UTC

no, my site is in italian, i don't want to translate it:D

87-110773702012 Mar 2005, 00:06 UTC

There I signed it! I'll do my best to post it up on my website! But my website isn't the best. I used freewebs!!!!

Wolfen

68-108707261912 Mar 2005, 00:12 UTC

I've signed it. I have two Balto websites and I'll post it up as well.

Edit: I've just added it to my website on AdventureKodi!

83-108302525612 Mar 2005, 07:36 UTC

I've sighned as well, But that's all I can do for the cause.

116-109430913212 Mar 2005, 17:42 UTC

I've just convinced 3 people to sign.

115-108568278512 Mar 2005, 20:12 UTC

Thank you everyone

I'm sure some of you may think that this petition will not change anything. And I think you're wrong.
I have an actual proof of the contrary, found on petition online :

http://www.petitiononline.com/sldrsdvd/petition.html

and look what I found on amazon :

http://www.amazon.com/exec....=507846

Did the petition worked? Was it just a coincidence that the dvds got released not so long ago? I don't think so...and it was Universal pictures too. Interesting, don't you think?
But in any case, we will need a really big amount of signatures...

70-110747806812 Mar 2005, 20:16 UTC

I just signned!

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116-109430913212 Mar 2005, 22:02 UTC

1100 signatures, I don't think we can have 1100 signatures...:( .

65-108501507212 Mar 2005, 23:33 UTC

Just signed it, and I'm gonna put in on my webpage. ^_-

116-109430913213 Mar 2005, 01:05 UTC

Just 74 signatures, come on people sign the petition!

70-110747806813 Mar 2005, 01:23 UTC

yes if you haven't, SIGN!!!!!!!! hehe

83-108302525613 Mar 2005, 08:46 UTC

76 Signatures so far. To steetboris: Thanks for showing that Sliders info It gives Me more hope that Your Petition won't be ignored by Universal

115-108568278513 Mar 2005, 09:50 UTC

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1100 signatures, I don't think we can have 1100 signatures...:( .

In a full year, I think it can be possible. After all, I've noticed there's absolutely no date anywhere, so no one can know when this petition was started. I also think only a small percent of the fans signed it yet, but is it because they don't like the content of the petition or because they didn't see it? I don't know, because they are not saying anything... * sigh * But, we'll see.

116-109430913216 Mar 2005, 12:38 UTC

We have more than 120 signatures! Steet maybe in a year it's possible, but it's hard.

109-110769783816 Mar 2005, 15:05 UTC

Quote (togo @ Mar. 16 2005,1:38)

We have more than 120 signatures! Steet maybe in a year it's possible, but it's hard.

it's very hard

87-110773702016 Mar 2005, 21:08 UTC

I've just posted it on my website! I got a couple of people to sign it.

Wolfen

109-110769783817 Mar 2005, 13:55 UTC

Quote (Wolfen @ Mar. 16 2005,10:08)

I've just posted it on my website! I got a couple of people to sign it.

Wolfen

good, take more people!!!!!!

87-110773702021 Mar 2005, 01:04 UTC

I'm trying my best!!!! But my website really sux!!!!!!!!

Wolfen

109-110769783821 Mar 2005, 17:09 UTC

how many guys sign the petition?

116-109430913221 Mar 2005, 18:55 UTC

Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ Mar. 21 2005,12:09)

how many guys sign the petition?

Only 186, it could get better.

83-108518858921 Mar 2005, 21:09 UTC

I'll sign it and I'll put it up on Shads Realm as soon as I get it back up and running.

86-109882622521 Mar 2005, 21:30 UTC

LOL!!! Do you REALLY think that 400 or so people are going to get a TV series, video games, more Balto stuff...lunch boxes, a line of PJ's with Baltos face on them...in K-Mart?

NO...400 fans do not mean jack diddly to a corporation as big as Universal Studios. They'd LOSE money hand over fist with things like that. There is a time to realize that life isn't fair, and we don;t get the wonderful things we want all the time. You can send off a petition but it's going to look like exactly what it is...a small tiny little crazed fanbase asking for miracles. They'll smile and shurg and throw it out. Go ahead, try...but don't expect to see Balto-O's in the cereal aisle of your neighborhood Piggly Wiggly anytime soon\n\n

115-108568278521 Mar 2005, 21:56 UTC

Of course...Why am I not surprised at all by your reaction, Vesta.
Every time I do something, you seem to want to break it up, and you're absolutely
the only person in the Balto community that just want to criticize me.
But, I'm a good player and I will not take that for a personal affront.

Signing the petition only requires 1 minute of your time.
I've never said it will work, I said it CAN work.
There are examples of petitions that worked. You're not Universal, sorry,
you don't know them, and I honestly think that I know them better than you.
Is it better to stand still like what you're doing? No, sorry.
And I think many people agree with me. Nearly 200 signatures is already a good score I think.
At least, WE are trying our best.
This is an absolutely normal attitude when people are fans.
I also don't think that the things we listed are impossible to realize. And
I don't think at all they would lose money by doing that, since they've already
done the same things with some of their other licenses.

Do you only realize that you're laughing at the great majority of the Balto fans ?!
Sorry to be that rude, I hate doing that.
But overall, I hate listening to such comments.

86-109882622521 Mar 2005, 22:05 UTC

Not rude...honest. And BTW, Steet, we know that you told people in the French part of your website not to go to AC's site because he had Balto 3 pictures up. Nice. The people who applaud you are newbies and followers. 200 people out of millions who pay for other films and who back the fanbase of things like Pokemon and such....just will not sway a multibillion dollar corporation. How do you know Universal better than I or anyone does? And also, other people criticise you...they just don't do it to your face... I have one talking to me in AIM right now. Thanks for your precious time

83-108302525621 Mar 2005, 22:07 UTC

We're hoping to get more signatures Vesta Wolf.(We know We need at least 1,000)To have a chance at all. We might be ignored, But then again, We might not. like You said, We can try

86-109882622521 Mar 2005, 22:11 UTC

There are not 1000 Balto fans who are that concerned...the ones who will sign are in this club... thats not anywhere near 1000... do the math

115-108568278521 Mar 2005, 22:16 UTC

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we know that you told people in the French part of your website not to go to AC's site because he had Balto 3 pictures up.

You must be seriously paranoiac...I never did such a thing.
Anyway, it's useless to talk with someone like you. I hate when there are wars on forums, so I'm not going to start one here.
All I can say is that you're really true to yourself.

Anyway, the thing I know for sure is that there are more Balto fans in proportion of the people who know it. Should I show you some of the statistics for my sites? on the french side, my Lion king site has a big number of visitors if you compare it to the french version of my Balto site, and yet nearly no one come on the forums or make comments on the site, on the contrary of the Balto fans. Enough said.

86-109882622521 Mar 2005, 22:20 UTC

AC himself saw the message in question...shall we have him show us where it is? This is where I get my information....or did you just remove it from your site? Who do you think asked me to post in this thread? LOL ....really....I am true to myself thats right. But i am not so overly full of myself that i think me and a mere handful of my friends can sway a giant business which is Universal Studios with a petition asking them to create a TV show which (you may not realize this) costs MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PRODUCE. For an audience of 400. Not gonna happen

115-108568278521 Mar 2005, 22:25 UTC

I'm really surprised...I swear that I never said anything like that on my site, you must have mistranslated a sentence or something like that...! I've never had bad intentions to any of the Balto fans or webmasters (except you vesta...), so I'm really really sorry if Fluke misunderstood me...Especially that I always try my best to be kind with everyone, Balto fans, I would have never done anything like that...I admire all the work he put on his site, it has a lot of original content that is impossible to find anywhere else. No, I really not wanted that...I had noticed that he didn't seem to like me much, but I never got around to know why...:( If there's anything I can do to restore that...

EDIT: Yes, millions, that's not new. But did you know that the sales of Balto 2 surprised Universal, and it broke far below their expectations? The potential audience is not 400 people but millions of people. The fans are only representative of the main part of the audience. They are often used as statistics, too. I have the french press book for Balto 3 just in front of me, and it says that the two first Balto sold 400.000 units only in France...

86-109882622521 Mar 2005, 22:37 UTC

Your point would be? I have no idea where you're going with this....Do you realize that this is not a catchy idea like Pokemon or blues clues...its a movie or movies with a very limited direction a TV series, a video game or whatever can go...this is why there is not more all dogs go to heaven tv show...they can only do so much and then they LOSE money . Not audience, no ratings, lost revenue...poof goodbye. People can SEE the video for themselves...I have no idea where you get the idea that this is hidden from people. It is all over the place here....in any store that carries videos. If people couldn't find it they apparently do not live near a walmart, a blockbuster video or a 7-11 that carries videotapes...

70-106196059221 Mar 2005, 22:38 UTC

No offense but I am sure Universal are very aware that there are Balto fans out there, I mean we do have 3 movies and most likely a 4th one on the way. All Universal execs have to do is a simple search and about a million Balto fansites come up so I honestly don't think we need a petition for recognition and also demands that will quite frankly cheapen Balto and the wonderful (original) movie we love.

I am sorry but I feel that the only demand you might get is a box set and that would only be because they may be considering it already. There was a Balto and Balto 2 boxset released so that is realistic. I know I would rather crawl over broken glass with no pants on than to see a Balto video game or a Balto tv series (just look at the All Dogs Go to Heaven one!

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Balto was a boxoffice flop, I serious doubt they will gamble with their money, re-release it, pour loads of money into special features, editions etc when the amount of actual fans out there are nothing compared to other ventures that Universal are happy to put money into (ET for one).

Finally vesta is right you did urge people not to look at the Balto 3 stuff I put on my website, you were incredibly bitter towards that I have to say and you only have to look at your replies in the Balto 3 topics on this very site to see that.

115-108568278521 Mar 2005, 22:52 UTC

Oh...I see now. Yes, I reckon that I was disappointed at first to not have the film while the first screenshots were released, and I didn't want to see too much of it before watching it entirely.
And after having the film, I said it wasn't a good thing to show screenshots because it could contain spoilers, and because I thought that some people could feel the same way as me.
But I never prevented anyone to not go on your site...I swear I never did...

I'm really sorry, I didn't think you took it that way.
Yeah, I must have acted stupid, even though I never realized it...I should have had noticed that.
But you should have let me know about that before, that's already 6 months since then...
I promise I'll never do something like that again...
Will you be able to forgive me?...

68-108707261921 Mar 2005, 23:47 UTC

The petition has 188 signatures. I'm beyond one of them.

:;):

83-108302525622 Mar 2005, 04:28 UTC

Quote (VestaWolf @ Mar. 21 2005,4:11)

There are not 1000 Balto fans who are that concerned...the ones who will sign are in this club... thats not anywhere near 1000... do the math

I know That their are not 1,000 signatures on the petition(at least not yet). I also am aware That their may never be. If the Petition fails it fails. At least We gave It a try. I liked the Way steetboris wrote the petition. Making Requests not demands of things that Universal might consider doing, And leaving it up to Universal to decide what(If anything)to do

109-110769783822 Mar 2005, 17:42 UTC

Quote (togo @ Mar. 21 2005,7:55)

Quote (muk&lukLOVER @ Mar. 21 2005,12:09)

how many guys sign the petition?

Only 186, it could get better.

not so much

115-108568278522 Mar 2005, 22:16 UTC

The main thing, is that I believe that Universal only care about sales, as all big companies. I never said the contrary, I always said that. It's just that I'm sure they just didn't think of making more things with Balto. I'm sure they just never thought of making a box, a tv series, a game etc...
And I still think it would be profitable to them.

You said it could never reach the theaters again. So how do you explain that it DID reach the theaters in France in 2003? Why not the USA, even if it's limited?

No, I think that most of the things we listed are realisable.
BUT, don't get it wrong, the aim of the petition is mostly to comfort Universal by showing them that there are fans following them. That's the point.

87-110773702022 Mar 2005, 23:28 UTC

Yay!!!!!!!!! More signatures!!!!! Now we just need about like a thousand more.

Wolfen~ hey, I'm at 400 posts right now.

70-106196059222 Mar 2005, 23:41 UTC

I didn't read your website comments till later Steet so I couldn't have said 6 months ago, your attitude towards me I basically dismissed as petty and a little bit desperate so it did not affect me at all.

As far as cinema screenings go, I honestly don't know what the French cinema companies did with the screening of Balto but I do know that basically whoever bids the highest for the movie gets to show it. In the US the cinemas got it, in the UK Sky Movies won it and premiered it in peoples homes intead. I did know of one privately owned cinema in Portsmouth that showed it up until a few years ago when it shut down, I wish I had gone to see it.

I am very sure Universal know about the fans, why else are they turning out these DTV sequels? Also I believe that they don't care that the fans are following them, all they actually care about is that some people will buy these sequels.

I would actually be more inclined to sign a petition asking Universal to STOP making any more sequels (and not to make any other spin off either) and let Balto Rest in Peace. I am sure a lot of people would prefer to sign such a petition especially older Balto fans, perhaps there should be one.\n\n

83-108518858923 Mar 2005, 01:01 UTC

Ok, I've been in a war with you guys here in "power" at icy boards and I didn't like it all that much. So I'm not going to get myself involved in one here. But Vesta, I think we all realize that this proboably will not work and we're able to accept that. Yet, you seem to have something against the fact that we are trying. You to AC. What is wrong with us trying? You don't have to sign, nobody is asking you to, but why trash it? I personally don't agree with everything in the petition has to say, but thats fine. I still signed it because its a good cause. It just annoys me to know end seeing you guys trashing this petition. Give your opinion, go for it, nobody is here to stop you, nobody here wants to fight. We just don't want our opinions trashed.

115-108568278523 Mar 2005, 09:01 UTC

Thanks shadow, you really well summarized my point of vue

The "stop the sequels" is a little hidden there in the petition :

"We wish for the Balto license to have a better future, rather than just making sequel after sequel as has been done with the "Land Before Time" series."
Don't everyone agree with that? But, a petition centered on that is sure to be forgotten : they will never stop making sequel till they sell well.
And Balto will always sell above their expectations, since their expectations are always really low...

So Acanis, you say that it didn't really get to the cinemas in the UK?
I didn't know that, but it still has a release date on the IMBD (29 March 1996) though.
But I think it was a good thing that this channel bought the film, since they still air it nowadays...

109-110769783823 Mar 2005, 09:06 UTC

Quote (Shadow @ Mar. 23 2005,2:01)

cool!!!!!! good job shadow!!!!

86-109882622523 Mar 2005, 18:41 UTC

I originally posted because someone asked me to. I beleive that thinking we know better than a major business force does about how to run a business of promote a movie is quite silly. YOU all might LOVE the things you are petitioning for, but 400 core members of the Balto fandom is not going to be enough to make the CEO of Universal Studios think *MANNNN why didn't *I* think of a Balto video game? GOD we're stupid!!!!" I am sure they have marketing folk who think of everything and KNOW what will be profitable. Trying is going to make you bitter and bitchy when they simply laugh in your faces.

70-106196059223 Mar 2005, 18:42 UTC

Quote (Shadow @ Mar. 23 2005,1:01)

Ok, I've been in a war with you guys here in "power" at icy boards and I didn't like it all that much. So I'm not going to get myself involved in one here.

You should have stopped typing there then Shadow! Saying "But" gets you involved lol. Firstly we are not arguing, we are discussing, there are no insults being thrown, just people getting defensive. I have nothing against people trying Shadow, but I can have something against what you are asking. Yeah more of the original movie would be great, something more on the DVD, more than the documentary, but perhaps the reason they didn't give you more in the first place was because they didn't have it? I don't want to see a flood of shoddy Balto stuff pushed out just to make a quick buck or 2 and I know that most true to the original fans would agree. You say give your opinion, that is exactly what we are doing and that leads me onto my next bit.

Steet, I don't think a "stop making sequels" is hidden there at all, that sentence is very loosely connected there and IMO contradicts your demands. I don't consider a better future for the Balto license to be in the form of a t.v. series and a computer game. What a horrible vision that would be, the original move was so special and great, it shouldn't be cheapened by such antics. My idea of a "Leave Balto Alone" petition is actually very popular already, I might start it. The Balto R.I.P. petition\n\n

115-108568278523 Mar 2005, 19:49 UTC

Yes, but big companies make errors too. The release of the original Balto is enough proof of that : for the reasons we all know, Balto never got to be popular, while it's obvious that it should have been...
And again, there are not 400 fans of Balto on the planet, but much more than that...Only the people who have access to the web, who did make a search for Balto, and who wanted to express themselves are in that number.
And they won't laugh at us. Of course not. I know of several LBT fans who know one of the actors who does a voice in the LBT sequels, and they did listen to some of the things the fans said to them. The teams behind the films aren't as closed minded as you seem to think.

Acanis : you're right when you're saying that your petition would kill the Balto license.
I REALLY don't understand how can fans of Balto want it to die. Because if they are not making anything Balto related, it will die soon, everyone will forget about it.
Don't tell me that you don't want more people to know Balto!
Try making that petition, we'll see how many people will sign it...But don't wait for my support. It's nonsense.
I think we have listed all the possible ideas to get more people to know Balto, I can't see any other idea that we could list there. If you don't agree with that, then it means that you want Balto to die, that's all.

86-109882622523 Mar 2005, 19:59 UTC

WTH are you talking about? A conspiracy to RUIN a movie before it was ever off the ground? They purposefully did something so that it wasn't well-known? OOOO yes they released it against Toy Story...waaa! Thats competition for a market. Toy Story ultimately won. And Universal still gambled by releasing not one but TWO DTV sequels... Its time to STOP and let the first classic movie rest as a classic before it's name becomes a laughingstock just like TLBT has become.

And again, there are not 400 fans of Balto on the planet, but much more than that...Only the people who have access to the web, who did make a search for Balto, and who wanted to express themselves are in that number.

Do you think that most people live in mud huts without internet? All but 400 of us? I think that the MOST VOCAL fanbase is this group of 400..no more no less. The rest of the folks who saw or bought Balto or the sequels were small children and parents of small children...they are *doggy movies* and as such they entertain small children. That was the target audience, I'd say. I know Universal is aware that they do have an audience of older folks for their animated films but when it comes down to "who will buy this??" It would be hands down the parents of the 3-12 crowd.

I know of several LBT fans who know one of the actors who does a voice in the LBT sequels, and they did listen to some of the things the fans said to them. The teams behind the films aren't as closed minded as you seem to think.

Listening and moving a big business to lose money is two different things

I will sign the petition to make the horror stop.\n\n

70-106196059223 Mar 2005, 20:15 UTC

Steet, I didn't say anything about my petition killing the Balto license and I don't want Balto to die, not the original anyway but what are you going to do to the original? It is like flogging a dead horse. There is limited storyline you can do with it, it was based on a true event and that is what was half the appeal of the movie, how can you compliment that? People fell inlove with Balto cos he was real and the race really took place, however there is no Aleu, no magic trees etc and original Balto fans will not tolerate shoddy stories and spin offs.

To be honest if the present future for Balto attracks people like present company, then I am happy for it to die. I don't care if no one else discovers Balto, it isn't my concern, it is personal to me.

Anyway if you are so concerned about the Balto enterprise dying, then you should rethink your demands as they WILL kill it. A tv show, a game, common, this will cheapen Balto and destroy an respect it has/had. It sounds more like a bunch of kids screaming "look at me" than a serious attempt at an acheivement.

And I am not gonna enter into a competition between you and me, if I make a petition, I won't be informing you about it, I have nothing to proove to you as you mean nothing to me.\n\n

115-108568278523 Mar 2005, 20:18 UTC

There is no argument in your last post Vesta, only your opinion; and I completly disagree with that. I don't even have to say why, because it would only go round.
Now, the Balto fans want the Balto license to die...Do you even listen to what you're saying?

I can't believe that I apologized for things I didn't do.
I didn't want to start a war there, but I think it has gone too far :

Do the others know that Acanis is the only Balto webmaster that has never put a link to my site, in the links page on his site?
While I always had a link to his site, from the very start of my site...And I always recommend people to visit his site,
while I'm sure he just never did.
I kindly thought it was because you never had the time to update the links. But now I know it's not the reason.

I wanted to be friendly with everyone, but contrary to everyone else, you never gave me any chance. And I think I still don't get why, unfortunately.
I'm really, really disappointed. I didn't want things to end like that, Acanis. But I'm afrais that someone who want the Balto license to die can't be friend with me.

86-109882622523 Mar 2005, 20:24 UTC

Who CARES if there are no more Balto movies, no more merchandise, no lil plushie Alues or Kodi's...no tacky wristwatches sold at Burger King, and no box set/platinum box set/box set with a secret decoder ring/box set with two free tickets to Nome Alaska in January....Not the TRUE fans...the originals. The folks who saw the first movie and appreciated the original story. Sequels are fiction, the characters are NOT REAL, FOLKS! Not Alue, not Kodi..they're ink and CGI. The original movie will be remembered for the classic it is. The rest will be forgotten and rightfully so. To continue to market more and more CRAP will only make the origial seem a shadow of its former self... in a giant heap of steaming horsecrap\n\n

115-108568278523 Mar 2005, 20:28 UTC

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The original movie will be remembered for the classic it is.

That's where you're completly wrong. With no Balto related things at all, no one will talk about it. Everyone or so will forget about it. And a classic can't be something that is so unknown, unfortunately.

86-109882622523 Mar 2005, 20:31 UTC

LOL!!! You have no idea about business do you? NOBODY is going to keep throwing money at something which is *so unpopular*(if it is indeed unpopular..and who are you to say what is unpopualr and what is not? do you have some personal stake in the constant merchandising of Balto shit?) and those of us who aren't crying and clamoring for more *stuff* will remember the first. There are things which you remember without being reminded or without having garbage stuffed down your throat constantly. I'm with AC..I don't WANT more Balto fans. I'd rather go back to the original group from several years ago. I don't like the way things are going these days. And neither does a LOT of people. Thats why very few of the old members are around anymore.\n\n

70-106196059223 Mar 2005, 20:33 UTC

Recommending people don't look at parts of my site gives me no reason to link yours. I need to re-do the links section regardless as there are some that are dead and some that should be added but if you have a problem with my chosen links, you should consult me privately and not publicly on here. I didn't make my site as a base of a popularity contest, it was made for me by me and it is a bonus that so many enjoy it. Plus I don't think you need any more publicity following your constant "hey look at my site" on every messageboard!

If that is how you feel Steet, that your life is so wrapped up with a chain of animated movie that life just can't go on if not everyone wants the same, then so be it. No offense but I am not gonna loose any sleep if you don't consider me a friend, especially for such a mundane reason as that!

I have to edit reading that last one... you think people forget classics??? God how do you work that one out, look at any movie that is considered a "classic", they don't need anything helping people remember them\n\n

115-108568278523 Mar 2005, 20:49 UTC

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"Plus I don't think you need any more publicity following your constant "hey look at my site" on every messageboard!"

LOL!!! On the english sites, I've done that...Once. Here, at the icy boards. That means that you categorized me as soon as I came out here. Thanks Acanis.

Sorry, my site was long on the web before your pretended "don't look at my site" thing happened.
So that's no excuse.
And to think I was enough idiot to apologize to you. I was enough stupid to talk about your site to everyone. And that's how you thank me.

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"No offense but I am not gonna loose any sleep if you don't consider me a friend, especially for such a mundane reason as that!"

Don't worry, I won't either.
You wanted cold war, then cold war you'll get. Go on with your 1% of the fans following your opinions.
I'm sure most people didn't know that side of your personnality.

Thanks Acanis. Bye Acanis.

70-106196059223 Mar 2005, 23:30 UTC

Well your true colours come out don't they Steet. Sorry but on TBL and here it was a case of "Check out my site" or "I found that info it is already on my site" etc.. no offense but I'm not the only person who got bored with that.

Also (and I don't really need to prove anything but..) 19th Oct http://baltosource.timduru.org/index-act-comm-no-48.html you also pulled the same stuff here (although more subtley) in the Balto sequels section, basically accussing me of showing spoilers (when there really were none! and saying how you would never ever do what I did, trying to ward off people.

I am sorry you are so bitter that I did not link you, well there are lots of sites that I haven't linked, but you know what? You never asked me to link you either, seriously man, get a life. What do you want me to do, get on my knees and beg for the Great Steet to give me his friendship? No, for someone to turn round and say that you can't be my friend cos you have a differnet opinion is stupid, I could understand if that opinion was something like "Hitler was right" but it isn't it's simply I don't want any more Balto apart from the original which is the best anyway. LOL but anyway I don't even know you, and now I don't want to.

For the record here to anyone else, no I don't want the license to die as Steet keeps saying, I want the original movie to live on with the dignity it diserves and not over shadowed by crappy computer games, t.v. shows etc that is being asked here. It is quality, not quantity.\n\n

72-106196060924 Mar 2005, 01:29 UTC

*Steps out of the shadows after watching all of this unfold, deciding to hold his peace no longer* �

Okay, enough is enough... I've been saving my 'two cents' up since last I was here in a bank account with a high returning interest rate, so I think I'll start drawing from that and speak up here.

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Yes, but big companies make errors too. The release of the original Balto is enough proof of that : for the reasons we all know, Balto never got to be popular, while it's obvious that it should have been...

As Vesta has already said, Balto had to go up against Disney's Toy Story at the same time. Toy Story had the obvious edges: 1st ever 3D movie, major marketing and support, and the name "Disney" was mixed in with it. We're lucky Balto is as famous as it is, if you think about it. At first your petition idea looked good, Steet. I had certain qualms with it, but since no other petitions were going around at the time I was all for it. That's changed. After reading this thread it has become apparent to me, and hopefully others as well, that your simply an ass. (I'd use stronger language, but there are some kids reading this) What are my reasons for saying this? Let�s see:

1. You�re immature, especially for a �20 year old. You have a strong lack of respect for others opinions and you are *always* going on about how smart you think you are. If someone tries to bring some new Intel. to our attention you�re always quick to say you already knew that, then go and post it real quick on your website to "prove" it. -_-;

2. Promoting your site every now and then is kool, even smart from a business perspective. Yet when you constantly go on and on and on about your site it gets old fast. Real fast. Oh, but you go beyond that! You have the nerve to say your site is the best, when that is clearly an opinion. Since I never gave a #### before paw, I went to your site to see what all the hype was about. It's better than I was expecting, but it not the best in my opinion. You need to come down to Earth a little and realize that until every Balto fan in the World votes on it, your site (or anyone�s else�s Balto site) will never be able to claim itself as the best.*Firm nod*

3. Classics are never forgotten, no matter what. That's why their called classics. *Grins* I think it's safe to say that everyone here believes that Balto is a Classic, ja? Classics don't become classics because they have a shit load of merchandise, video games, etc. They become classics because of how and why they were made. The message they bring to us the viewers is what makes it memorable for us, I think. Balto had a strong message and wonderful art/music, thus making it an instant classic IMO. As far as I'm concerned you can keep your merchandise... I have something worth more than any of that: the memory of seeing Balto for the first time (In the theater, no less) and the feeling that that left within me.

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I was enough stupid to talk about your site to everyone.

4. Your grammar sucks. � �

5. Although I'm sure my friends here can more than look out for themselves, let it be known that if you mess with them then you mess with me. We were never really "friends" before paw, but as of this moment you are officially not a friend of mine. I know you could care less about that, same as me, but I just wanted to make sure you knew. � �Another thing: Before you go off starting a "cold war" against my friends, and thus me, consider this: I'm not one to be trifled with. You may believe in a 'cold war', but I don't. War is war to me and during times of war I show absolutely no mercy. So go on and carry out this cold war of yours... I'll be glad to show you what real "war" is like.

To sum this all up, I think you need to chill out Steet. Seriously. Take a chill pill and grow up some, I'm sure we'd ALL appreciate it.

78-110731266024 Mar 2005, 02:58 UTC

I'm joining in this too. Controversy is my forte. Besides, I'm better at making enemies than friends, so you're all bound to hate me at one point. Why not now?

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Classics are never forgotten, no matter what. That's why their called classics.

True. But what if only a very small amount of people know about it in the first place?

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You have the nerve to say your site is the best, when that is clearly an opinion.

I find that hard to believe. Can you show us where, exactly, he said this?

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Your grammar sucks.

You apparently aren't the observant type. In case you haven't noticed, steet comes from France. Guess what language they speak in France? French. Not English. He learned English as a second language. Then he switched two words around in one sentence that he wrote. BIG DEAL. I'd like to see you learn a foreign language and speak it perfectly.

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War is war to me and during times of war I show absolutely no mercy. So go on and carry out this cold war of yours... I'll be glad to show you what real "war" is like.

Count me in. I wouldn't miss this for the world. After all, arguing is one of the few things that I'm good at.

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To sum this all up, I think you need to chill out Steet. Seriously. Take a chill pill and grow up some, I'm sure we'd ALL appreciate it.

IMO, steet is the one here who needs a chill pill the least. I know this may be starting to go too far, but if a war is the only way to solve this, then let there be war.

Nick

103-107040115424 Mar 2005, 03:29 UTC

Ok, time for my input. �I see what Steet is saying and everyone else is but it is slowly moving off topic, the petition. �I know that seeing more Balto merchandise can seem corny and the images of a game are coming from an older audience. �Thinking about how big Pokemon was and how they created a CD-rom for use on the computer for educational purposes. �Thinking along the same lines they could do the same with Balto, target little children who would obviously take on more than an audience in the teens. �Universal could create games for use on the PC or a console for education, using Balto and many other characters as teachers and guides for the minds of todays youth.

With that in mind they could have a TV series, possibly one season, for the purpose of creating a sense of good and evil, right and wrong, and how Balto overcame the adversity beset to him and how children often face the same issues in school. �In todays society children need more cartoons like Sonic and Inspector Gadget that not only was entertaining but setting a conflict of good vs. evil before the youth in society and the victory of good over evil.

If these are successful then they may start having plushies on the shelves and millions of little children could possibly be begging their parents for one or the new game. �This would boost the image of Balto, and give the children today the same benifits most of us had when Balto first came out back then. �Something and someone to believe in and model a life after. �Dwell upon that before putting Steets petition and the ideas of the others, down.

I like the classic Balto as much as any of you, but if it has the possibility of influencing my niece and nephew as it did me, then I support what Steet is doing. �I have the memory of Balto, the wonderful art, the beautiful music, and nothing can change that, but I would love to have children of todays society with the same memories I have, the same message you talk about Hybrid. �As long as you have in your heart what Balto really means, then separate that from anything that happens to him as new things come out, don't let anything change that image.

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Controversy is my forte. Besides, I'm better at making enemies than friends, so you're all bound to hate me at one point.

I'm sorry to hear that, Nick. Not too pry too much into your private life, but to me it sounds like you get messed with at school a lot... I feel ya. Believe it or not I was too. That's why I am who I am, really. Yet looking to make enemies is not a wise path to take, trust me.

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True. But what if only a very small amount of people know about it in the first place?

Whether 10 million people know about it or just 10 people doesn't matter. Like I said: those types of things are not what make classics, classics.(IMO at least) I for one will not forget Balto, and I shall always consider it a classic.*Assertive nod*

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I find that hard to believe. Can you show us where, exactly, he said this?

I don't have the time to shift through and find the exact wording now, and even if I did quote him you would just say that I made it up.

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You apparently aren't the observant type. In case you haven't noticed, steet comes from France. Guess what language they speak in France? French. Not English. He learned English as a second language. Then he switched two words around in one sentence that he wrote. BIG DEAL. I'd like to see you learn a foreign language and speak it perfectly.

I consider myself pretty observant, Nick. For instance have you noticed that Steet has perfect grammar in some posts but not others? I have. That tells me that he's getting sloppy with his posting, which is not the best thing for someone learning a new language to do. Yes he is from France, and France, and most of the other European countries, are very strict on their education.(Unlike our country is, sadly) They *have* to master another language before graduating, so Steet should be expected to have better grammar than what he has shown thus far. As for me, I took two years of French in HS and am currently trying to learn Spanish and German. I'm not really focusing on learning these however because I have a busy life and can't afford to spare much time on these endeavors.

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Count me in. I wouldn't miss this for the world. After all, arguing is one of the few things that I'm good at.

I didn't declare war in my last post, and I'm not declaring it now. I simply gave a warning is all, not a declaration. If at all possible I try to avoid war, but I won't back away from it either.

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I know this may be starting to go too far, but if a war is the only way to solve this, then let there be war.

That is starting to go too far, I think. War should always be a last resort, and on top of that this little "debate" of ours isn't worth a bloody war to begin with. I posted simply because I saw something going on that I thought needed to be addressed, and so I addressed it. You saw a chance to argue and vent some pint-up anger/hate you seem to have, and confronted me with it. Who is it again that needs to take a chill pill...?

83-108302525624 Mar 2005, 06:22 UTC

I do not wish to see a war On Thees Bords. Our opipions are different. So let's leave it at that. In a war of opinions no one can hope to win anyway.

86-109882622524 Mar 2005, 11:24 UTC

I can see that if I don't lock this topic, AC will step in after he gets home from work and lock it. It will become infiltrated with people from Steet's forum rising to defend him and to say how wonderful he is and how HE was the one who came up with every piece of Balto 3 information FIRST before anyone else, even though ALL the information he found was *Already on the web*. LOL There has always been a LOT of *I got it first! I know more! I have all the information on MY site! Come look NOW!* going on. #### Steet, you were annoyed that AC had Balto 3 information and a review up before you did. Some people take *webmastering* far too seriously.

As far as this petition, I hold to the point that it is childishly written and the *demands* are so far fetched that no serious businessman who reads it will give it more than a toss into the trash. Let Balto remain as it is. You'll find a MAJORITY of the core fanbase does not WANT more sequels or merchandise. We want the integrity of Balto to remain, and it can do so without pushing for more more more.

Did you all not NOTICE that the original Balto was not only promoted on Cartoon network but also as a trailer on Balto 3's DVD? Universal did what it felt it could to sell the original. It cannot be expected to do more, after all this time.

*locks topic*