Brother bear = ripoff

65-106294487004 Mar 2004, 09:42 UTC

Yes it�s right.
The scene where Star imitates E.T behind the ice block, is completly ripped and used in the new Disney movie Brother Bear. (But with a bear instad of star of course).
Man. i Really dislike Disney... :angry:

70-106196059204 Mar 2004, 19:46 UTC

I've not seen the movie yet but it reinforces my belief that Disney has lost all it's originality...

65-106294487004 Mar 2004, 20:04 UTC

It has.. It also include a scene from Lion King (Disney anyway.. so) and my girlfriend recognized a stolen background painting from spirit, stallion of blabla.. =P

87-106196078704 Mar 2004, 21:33 UTC

I saw the movie but dont' remember anything resembaling the balto E.T scene like you said. But it was a pretty long time ago.

I never notcied the LionKing scene other than the caribou, unless that's it. It looked pretty close, with all the close ups of them, and their leaping over things. But it isn't illegal to have more than one movie with a stampede in it.

Could you write out what happened in the scenes? I probably just forgot.

83-106196071805 Mar 2004, 00:52 UTC

Hello

Spirit was done by Dreamworks, and I highly doubt that Disney would use a background from another company's movies in their own...

...I don't remember those scenes either; I'll have to check that once it's available to rent...

~Silver Wolf

106-106196082205 Mar 2004, 05:40 UTC

The scene Asgeir is talking about is the scene where Koda (the baby bear) looks around the ice JUST LIKE STAR!!! :angry:

It makes me so mad!

84-106196075205 Mar 2004, 06:34 UTC

I noticed it but it didn't bother me. Wanna know why? People are always copying ideas off other people, there isn't much originality anymore...I think you're making a big deal about something small...

70-106196059405 Mar 2004, 13:16 UTC

I agree with Tala. I'm pretty sure its not there's no copyright to *looking around ice* or *falling down a cliff on a dogsled* (since we can also then say that Snow Dogs ripped off Balto) or *running thru an ice cave* since..Tomb Raider would have ripped off Balto...or any of a myriad of similar scenes in a million films. Its not a big deal, and I don't buy the *stolen background* theory either, since a cloudy sky looks like a cloudy sky. Disney in my opinion is not the evil menacing beast it is made out to be here. Its not the artists fault nor the writers, or the guys at the theme parks pushing $4 bottles of pepsi. Its the fault of the fat cats and folks like Eisner who push push push for revenue... Disney has some very talented artists, or did, till they fired the lot of them here in Florida. When you think about it, EVERY company wants to make money... and the fact that there will BE a Balto 3 proves that. Just my two cents...

83-106196071609 Mar 2004, 05:23 UTC

I'd say there were a lot of elements in Brother Bear that were borrowed from other movies. In a lot of places, it felt like TLK. And I also don't remember seeing a rip off screen from Balto. However, that doesn't mean I'll enjoy the movie any less. It's extremely hard to come up with something totally original nowadays anyway. If you can name something that's not rooted in or has references from something else, kudos to you. ^^;

And I'll have to agree with Vesta and Tala, Disney isn't *that* bad.

70-106196059209 Mar 2004, 11:14 UTC

I thought I better point out that the bit with the ET reference is kinda up for grabs anyway. Balto wasn't the first movie to make that sort of ET joke especially as it was a Speilburg movie and he puts as many ET references in his movies as possible (personally I would prefer to forget that nasty little Mr Hanky look-a-like)

98-107625767114 Mar 2004, 23:29 UTC

I havent seen the movie but now am gonna have to rent it.

69-110513986708 Jan 2005, 18:47 UTC

There are two scenes in which Koda (the cub) looks in the ice (I'm not sure which one you guys say was copied). The first time he's making faces in it like a fun house mirror. The second time, he's standing behind a stump of ice saying "skinny...fat...skinny...fat." (His body through the ice looks skinny and fat). The only thing it really has in common with the scene is that both characters look into the ice for a gag.

Also, what scene has a "stolen backround from Spirt: Stallion of the Cimarron"? �

76-110494100708 Jan 2005, 19:04 UTC

Actually theres nothing to be so mad about, every movie has some ideas that were taken from other movies. Thats how they try to improve the existing ones. Besides there arent so many ideas left well not to think atleast, almost every idea has been used alredy so they are just trying to modify the existing classic ones in hope to sell better. I dunno exactly but it dosent anger me that a few scenes are stolen from other movies, its natural. There just arent enough new ideas left and those that are noone hasent thought about them yet. Every movie has somkind of originality, so frankly im happy with that, though some have less and some have more. Well everyone has his/her own opinion.

71-109168036912 Jan 2005, 04:11 UTC

Quote (Guest @ Mar. 05 2004,8:16)

I agree with Tala. I'm pretty sure its not there's no copyright to *looking around ice* or *falling down a cliff on a dogsled* (since we can also then say that Snow Dogs ripped off Balto) or *running thru an ice cave* since..Tomb Raider would have ripped off Balto...or any of a myriad of similar scenes in a million films. Its not a big deal, and I don't buy the *stolen background* theory either, since a cloudy sky looks like a cloudy sky. Disney in my opinion is not the evil menacing beast it is made out to be here. Its not the artists fault nor the writers, or the guys at the theme parks pushing $4 bottles of pepsi. Its the fault of the fat cats and folks like Eisner who push push push for revenue... Disney has some very talented artists, or did, till they fired the lot of them here in Florida. When you think about it, EVERY company wants to make money... and the fact that there will BE a Balto 3 proves that. Just my two cents...

I have to agree with you on that.
There is very little originality these days due to the pushing of profit, and it's sad.

110-110584079716 Jan 2005, 23:22 UTC

disney HAS NOT lost its originality....it never had any......the lion king is a total remake of KIMBA THE WHITE LION...aka JUNGLE EMPEROR.....here is the link with all the facts
http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm they just also make the movies all the same.....someone always dies and there is always like a million sad scenes.

110-110584079716 Jan 2005, 23:24 UTC

also here is this http://www.kimbawlion.com/transcript.htm roy disney calling simba "KIMBA"

83-106196071617 Jan 2005, 02:27 UTC

Nicolette, I know you're new here but please try not to double post. If you have any new information to add to a post, please use the Edit button. Especially that information is going to be added on the same day. Questions and or further examples can be found here in the forum rules. Thanks for your understanding.

Getting back to the topic on hand... I've heard such rants before, and I won't deny them at all. However, some of the TLK staff did have a few other sources of inspiration, not JUST Kimba the White Lion.

87-106196077917 Jan 2005, 04:28 UTC

Anymore double posting and I'll be forced to use my THUNDAR STIK!!! hahahaha But seriously, Please do read the guidelines.. There are there so everybody can to have a pleasant experience and a good time. Also to maintain the order of things keeping this place from falling under chaos.

Anywho. Original ideas are very rare these days.. mostly cause many of the good ones were taken and cycled by someone else and used thereafter, Film, books, videogames any kind that require ideas in actual media have sometimes been done to death.. but it cant be helped its human nature.. somtimes an idea is used but given a twist to make it somthing much different.. art is the same way I suppose in other cases its also those moment of coincidences.. like one never thinks that an idea has been used at times till someone brings it up.. so yeah many ideas and thoughts have ben recycled from time to time but it cant be helped original ideas somtimes dont come at ones will but require a bit more brainpower and sorting out than somthing simple, so its not surprising that many movies take from each other from time to time..but as i said earlier nodoy really notices till somoene begins to take a closer look at the certain idea they see.

83-108302525617 Jan 2005, 06:13 UTC

The similarity between Kimba and The Lion King is undeniable having seen and liked them both very much I have to say that Lion King is a better movie. And since a rip-off can never be better than the original I can not reguard Lion King as a rip-off

90-110494945717 Jan 2005, 19:23 UTC

Quote (Asgeir @ Mar. 04 2004,4:42)

Yes it�s right.
The scene where Star imitates E.T behind the ice block, is completly ripped and used in the new Disney movie Brother Bear. (But with a bear instad of star of course).
Man. i Really dislike Disney... :angry:

That doesn't nessicarily mean they "stole" it from the film. They just could've copied it, or come up with it them selves. Not much to call it a raip-off 'cause the whole movie was good. In my opinion, that's a very stupid thing to be mad at. Who cares? Doesn't hurt anyone or anything so just forget it. Besides, there are alot of movies that use scene 'like' others and ideas 'like' others. I'm doing that kind of with my movie. Yes, I'd have to get permission, but I'm doing an 'idea' not stealing. Get it right next time, okay?

68-108707261918 Jan 2005, 21:17 UTC

Quote (Tala @ Mar. 05 2004,12:34)

I noticed it but it didn't bother me. Wanna know why? People are always copying ideas off other people, there isn't much originality anymore...I think you're making a big deal about something small...

Well, some people are trading ideas with one another. Disney, Universal and Dreamworks share a lot of ideas with each other. But, in my opinion, it was stupid what they did with Koda but, I liked the movie overall. Even if it doesn't make sense, we should be kind to them for Disney doesn't have any sense of self-idea-building.

98-108879604718 Jan 2005, 23:52 UTC

You're right Koda was looking through the ice and saying "Skinny, Fat, Skinny and Fat" it was funny but ripped off...

*Finally 200 posts*

78-110711749712 Feb 2005, 16:16 UTC

Quote (nicolette @ Jan. 16 2005,6:22)

disney HAS NOT lost its originality....it never had any......the lion king is a total remake of KIMBA THE WHITE LION...aka JUNGLE EMPEROR.....here is the link with all the facts
http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm � �they just also make the movies all the same.....someone always dies and there is always like a million sad scenes.

I was wondering when someone would bring this up. Excellent point. I don't thikn Disney *COPIED* anything in Brother Bear (although the movie was horrible, so it wouldn't matter to me if they did) but the Lion King was COMPLETELY copied from Kimba. Sad to say, I actually like TLK better- a lot better.

83-108302525613 Feb 2005, 07:12 UTC

There Are Many differences between Kimba and the Lion King. As well as thing that are very similar

87-111007619506 Apr 2005, 03:28 UTC

Gee SimbasGuard you have lot of posts

118-110644348707 Apr 2005, 00:53 UTC

So what if one scene is from another movie, doesn't mean it's been "ripped off." If that's the case, then a lot of movies been ripped off.

83-106196074807 Apr 2005, 14:02 UTC

I have to say that the scene from brother bear is only similiar to the one in balto because of the fact that they are both looking at the ice. I could go on and say that spirit is in many ways SIMILIAR to the lion king, but not ripped off each other. I just think it was set around the ice age, the bears ran into a glacier and for fun did some silly moves infront of the ice, he didnt do an et impression, that would be a rip off!!! Certain films do share their similarities, but I really dont think the guys at disney were thinking about Balto when they made brother bear!!