Are you board with the Whitewolf discussions? Welllllll I know what it is *does the I know something you don't dance*, it isn't Aniu, I have been in touch with someone who worked on the movie and am working on a page for my site explaining it all. I will give more info when the site is online ;) but till then you'll have to wait lol :P
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The whitewolf
What is it?
Started by Fluke on 17 Oct 2003, 20:16 UTC · 40 preserved posts
OH, you evil thing you! No fair making us wait!
*does the "gotta pee" dance*
I wanna knooooooooooooow!
But realy, it's great to know it's not Aniu *wipes brow*
*does the "gotta pee" dance*
I wanna knooooooooooooow!
But realy, it's great to know it's not Aniu *wipes brow*
hmmm.. not Aniu.. so it must be a poodle in wolf's clothing 
OMG! Fluke are you serious? That makes me think completeley differently now! I WANT TO SEE! I CAN'T WAIT!!!
Ohh, making us wait is evil.
Although I was already certain that the white wolf from Balto wasn't Aniu.
Although I was already certain that the white wolf from Balto wasn't Aniu.
It's NOT Aniu? *pops in her TLK DVD and skips to the part where Simba sees his father fall; his cry is heard in the background: �"Nooooooooooooooooooooo!" �
Hold on a minute. �Fluke, do you know WHO it is or just WHAT it is? �If you say you know what it is, I think I already know. �The Junior Novelization of "Balto" tells the gender of the white wolf, but I didn't want to believe it. �I guess it was right all along. �I'll have to rip out and destroy my favorite part of my website...
*Howls mournfully as she has a heart attack*
Hold on a minute. �Fluke, do you know WHO it is or just WHAT it is? �If you say you know what it is, I think I already know. �The Junior Novelization of "Balto" tells the gender of the white wolf, but I didn't want to believe it. �I guess it was right all along. �I'll have to rip out and destroy my favorite part of my website...
*Howls mournfully as she has a heart attack*
Maybe Balto 3 will have the big slow-motion showdown fight scene between the White Wolf and Aniu? Where they pull out all the stops and use all their tricks and special techniques to try to achieve honor and victory? I can see it now...
*mouths not synchronized to voices*
Aniu: You die here! My Hurricane Tornado Monsoon Squall Thunder Kick will do you in for sure!
White Wolf: Aha, I am not defeated yet! You should spend less time talking, and more time fighting! *lunge*
Aniu: Augh! *bite bite*
*mouths not synchronized to voices*
Aniu: You die here! My Hurricane Tornado Monsoon Squall Thunder Kick will do you in for sure!
White Wolf: Aha, I am not defeated yet! You should spend less time talking, and more time fighting! *lunge*
Aniu: Augh! *bite bite*
I think I was better off when I didn't know. �Now I'll get depressed when I see the white wolf scene, because I have been so secure in my theory since 1996. �I mean, sure, my theory wasn't true, but I loved it nonetheless. �I have this thing with mothers, since mine died when I was two. �I loved the idea of the white wolf being Balto's mother, coming back to revisit her child in his time of need(just like Mufasa and Simba). �So it had a special sentimental quality to me.
I was even really looking forward to B3, because I had hoped that Aniu would appear in it, but animated like the white wolf from the first film. �Now even that hope has been dashed, because even if she DOES look like the WW, it won't make any difference. �So now my excited feelings for B3 have flown out the window.
As such, my future experiences with "Balto" and its sequel(s) will be like a DVD with a big scratch in it: it will work, but being permanently damaged, will never be the same.
At least I don't have to worry about these kind of shocks coming up from "The Lion King" and "The Lion King II: Simba's Pride", since nearly everything is so straightforward in these movies. �
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone with this self-pitying, bashing rant, I just haven't been myself in recent days, to put it lightly.
I was even really looking forward to B3, because I had hoped that Aniu would appear in it, but animated like the white wolf from the first film. �Now even that hope has been dashed, because even if she DOES look like the WW, it won't make any difference. �So now my excited feelings for B3 have flown out the window.
As such, my future experiences with "Balto" and its sequel(s) will be like a DVD with a big scratch in it: it will work, but being permanently damaged, will never be the same.
At least I don't have to worry about these kind of shocks coming up from "The Lion King" and "The Lion King II: Simba's Pride", since nearly everything is so straightforward in these movies. �
I'm sorry if I've offended anyone with this self-pitying, bashing rant, I just haven't been myself in recent days, to put it lightly.
My page isn't even up yet and I ahven't said anything else and your getting all worried lol.
Remember balto's mother if you go by WQ is a Whitewolf at least, but my page should be up by the end of today. I have mostly written a large part about what we have thought about the Whitewolf and then a comparison between Aniu and the original, then you don't have to read any further if you don't want to
Remember balto's mother if you go by WQ is a Whitewolf at least, but my page should be up by the end of today. I have mostly written a large part about what we have thought about the Whitewolf and then a comparison between Aniu and the original, then you don't have to read any further if you don't want to
I'm sorry for rambling on like that. �I just enjoy sticking to my ideas a little too much, particularly when I've had those ideas for so long. �I know it's an immature trait, and hopefully someday I'll grow out of it. �It's part of my severe depression, I guess.
I will read your page, however, because I try to be as open-minded as I can, and I don't want to be a stickler.
So was Balto's mother really one of those gray wolves seen in the first half of the movie?
I will read your page, however, because I try to be as open-minded as I can, and I don't want to be a stickler.
So was Balto's mother really one of those gray wolves seen in the first half of the movie?
I wouldn't worry to be honest, the info I have isn't going to destroy anyone ideas really, just give more food for thought
But it will answer the ages old question of the WW's gender, right? Is there any info on WHO the wolf is?
It would be great if The White Wolf had her own movie
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It's online, what do you think?
http://fluke.theicecave.org/whitewolf.shtml
http://fluke.theicecave.org/whitewolf.shtml
Interesting
Hmmmm. Very good, though I am still wondering about many things. However, that did help a lot, because I am now sure that Aniu and the Witewolf are two seperate wolves. I think Aniu From Wolf Quest is the spirit of Balto's mother, come back to see him, since after all, WQ is mostly a "spiritual journy" for both Balto and Alue. Also, remember how in WQ, Balto also says to Alue "my mother was a wolf who had pups with a dog." This is reason for me to believe this. Who else agrees with this theory? 
I also have a question which really has nothing to do with the topic of the two wolves being seperate, but remember how in one of Balto's dreams, there is a female voice telling Balto his totem guides? Well, I have always thought that was the voice of the spirit Aniu. So Aniu1983, you have got nothing to loose in your theory, just believe this thery, that the Aniu in Wolf Quest is Balto's mom. Just because the original Whitewolf is not his mom, doesn't mean the REAL Aniu is not. 
I hope you feel better now. I have deep down, always thought the original WW was just another wolf, or a spirit. But There is PROOF that the one from WQ is his mom. What I said above, what Balto says to Alue about his parents. And also, what AC said about Steele saying "I've got a little message for your mother." This all leads up to the conclusion that Aniu is indeed Balto's mom.
I also have a question which really has nothing to do with the topic of the two wolves being seperate, but remember how in one of Balto's dreams, there is a female voice telling Balto his totem guides? Well, I have always thought that was the voice of the spirit Aniu. So Aniu1983, you have got nothing to loose in your theory, just believe this thery, that the Aniu in Wolf Quest is Balto's mom. Just because the original Whitewolf is not his mom, doesn't mean the REAL Aniu is not.
I hope you feel better now. I have deep down, always thought the original WW was just another wolf, or a spirit. But There is PROOF that the one from WQ is his mom. What I said above, what Balto says to Alue about his parents. And also, what AC said about Steele saying "I've got a little message for your mother." This all leads up to the conclusion that Aniu is indeed Balto's mom.
*is REALLY embarassed* �I was certain that the answer would be that the wolf is male. �I got all spazzed up for nothing. �Eh, sorry 
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BTW, I thought Erik Schmidt animated the white wolf...
*clears throat, and laughs evilly* �Okay, I AM a stickler. �To me, this backs up my theory. �HOW you ask? �Because every character in "Balto" is symbolic of something. �Balto himself is symbolic of the protagonist(hero), Steele is symbolic of the antagonist(villain), and Jenna, Boris, Muk and Luk are allies supporting the main character(I don't know what the word for them is). �Movies, especially animated ones, are allegories(because the characters aren't real, live beings)displaying the different aspects of human nature. �Therefore, if the white wolf is symbolic of Balto's mother, than SHE IS, because the film is an allegory.
What makes me think that animated movies are allegorical? �Well, in one of the special features on the "Lion King" DVD, the film was described as being an allegory, and it gave me an entirely new perspective on not just TLK, but the genre as a whole.
So I'll continue to stand by the theory that the white wolf is Balto's mother, until I see in explicit and straightforward terms from that person that it is not.
I'm glad I didn't take out the Aniu/white wolf section of my website last night, like I had been planning to. �I would have had to put the whole thing back from scratch!
.BTW, I thought Erik Schmidt animated the white wolf...
*clears throat, and laughs evilly* �Okay, I AM a stickler. �To me, this backs up my theory. �HOW you ask? �Because every character in "Balto" is symbolic of something. �Balto himself is symbolic of the protagonist(hero), Steele is symbolic of the antagonist(villain), and Jenna, Boris, Muk and Luk are allies supporting the main character(I don't know what the word for them is). �Movies, especially animated ones, are allegories(because the characters aren't real, live beings)displaying the different aspects of human nature. �Therefore, if the white wolf is symbolic of Balto's mother, than SHE IS, because the film is an allegory.
What makes me think that animated movies are allegorical? �Well, in one of the special features on the "Lion King" DVD, the film was described as being an allegory, and it gave me an entirely new perspective on not just TLK, but the genre as a whole.
So I'll continue to stand by the theory that the white wolf is Balto's mother, until I see in explicit and straightforward terms from that person that it is not.
I'm glad I didn't take out the Aniu/white wolf section of my website last night, like I had been planning to. �I would have had to put the whole thing back from scratch!
I think it's great that they said the two wolves aren't necessarily the same and left everything else open. Yes, the white wolf is supposed to represent Balto's wolf side; for me, this means that the white wolf is the essence of all wolves, their wildness and stoicism and sympathy all rolled into one awesome being. For others, since Balto got his wolf side from his mother, the white wolf is his mother. There's no denying either one.
My way of thinking is more towards Ag's comment. I am happy with it being used for a symbol of the wolf side and I do agree that the wolf side is his mother, but I don't think that the original Whitewolf is his mother. there is too much evidence against it even being female. I think it is just a wolf who was in the right place at the right time, who was used for symbolism and that's it really. Also if you call it Balto's mother, it is too much Lion King for my liking. TLK was a good movie, but I don't want to put its story over other cooler movies.
nice page you got there on the white wolf Fluke! 
Intresting
IntrestingAlthough it's somewhat of an open ended answer, I still see it as proving that the White Wolf isn't Balto's mother. �Even though, his mother is a (white) wolf (depending on how much you accept WQ). Although I do like the fact that not only does it represent his wolf side, it also represents his mother. (Without actually being his mother.)\n\n
Nicely put Silver, that is the general idea
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Very interesting...and I must say I agree with Silver Huskey completely on that point. I always saw the white wolf in the first movie as a symbol of Balto's wolf side (and his mother) and not a creature that was actually related to Balto himself.
~Silver Wolf
Very interesting...and I must say I agree with Silver Huskey completely on that point. I always saw the white wolf in the first movie as a symbol of Balto's wolf side (and his mother) and not a creature that was actually related to Balto himself.
~Silver Wolf
mabye the white wolf is a kind of wolf god thing,like the black rabbit in watership down.you know a spirit thing that watchs over you but i guess i'm wrong 
but i guess i'm wrong Well that is what Aniu was in Balto 2
Well, I'm very stubborn(like everyone else in my family), so I'll stick to the mother theory until the day I die, or someone from the original "Balto" team says in exact words, "The white wolf is not Balto's mother".
"Balto" cooler than TLK? I like TLK and TLK II more than "Balto", I think, because I got more involved with both movies than I ever did with "Balto"(i.e., I saw TLK in the theater in 1994, whereas I didn't with "Balto" in 1995, and I bought loads of TLK merchandise). Overall, these two movies have influenced me much more than "Balto". Not to downgrade the quality of "Balto" though...
Didn't Erik Schmidt animate the white wolf?
"Balto" cooler than TLK? I like TLK and TLK II more than "Balto", I think, because I got more involved with both movies than I ever did with "Balto"(i.e., I saw TLK in the theater in 1994, whereas I didn't with "Balto" in 1995, and I bought loads of TLK merchandise). Overall, these two movies have influenced me much more than "Balto". Not to downgrade the quality of "Balto" though...
Didn't Erik Schmidt animate the white wolf?
REVELATION! So,the light has been shone on this mystery long debated by fans.
I think what Silver said is true.So,it means here that the White Wolf is a part of every wolf while Aniu is only a part of Balto? (Hence the White Wolf is also a part of Aniu)
I think what Silver said is true.So,it means here that the White Wolf is a part of every wolf while Aniu is only a part of Balto? (Hence the White Wolf is also a part of Aniu)
very interesting, and i'm agree whit silver huskey
Omigosh, really Fluke?!! That is so strange! I always assumed it was Aniu. I mean, how many pure-white wolves could there be in one movie? It's uncommon to come across a white Gray Wolf. Unless of course they decided to do a crossover movie with Balto and The Sight, and the white wolf is Larka returning from the dead...LOL ^_^; Not to spoil it for anyone who's reading it now....-twiddles thumbs-
IcyAleu, it's still safe to assume that the white wolf is Aniu, depending on what views you take. The WW is who you make it to be . �That's what makes movies so much fun.
. �That's what makes movies so much fun.I just don't acknowledge the sequel as anything to do with the original, that's my opinion but there are thousands of white-grey wolves in Alaska, if anything near Nome, there would be more due to it's location so close the the arctic circle.
Yeah, wolves tend to get whiter the further north you get, eventually ending with the pure-white arctic wolves.
I've always said that the white wolf is NOT Aniu, even before this information came out. Just watch the way the white wolf and Balto interact; that's not mother-son at all. Balto reacts in the same way that he did to the pack of wolves that he saw earlier in the movie. Unless you're going to claim that that's "his" pack and they're all his family... I don't see any motherly connection with the white wolf.
And I think that's good, too. If the white wolf is his mother, it ruins the impact the scene has. That scene works so well because it's raw. There is no dialogue except for Balto's muttered "Rosie"; it's entirely driven by sound, music, and artwork. If you add unnecessarily complexity to it by making the white wolf Balto's mother, you're taking away that raw simplicity and it isn't as powerful.
Also, if it's his mother, it's way, WAY too convenient. This is the arctic we're talking about. A million square miles. Do you honestly think that Balto would fall off of a cliff and find his mother waiting for him at the bottom in the middle of a winter blizzard? The chances of there being a wolf there at all are obviously slim, but the chances of that wolf being his mother are zero. It kills the all-important Suspension of Disbelief.
I've always said that the white wolf is NOT Aniu, even before this information came out. Just watch the way the white wolf and Balto interact; that's not mother-son at all. Balto reacts in the same way that he did to the pack of wolves that he saw earlier in the movie. Unless you're going to claim that that's "his" pack and they're all his family... I don't see any motherly connection with the white wolf.
And I think that's good, too. If the white wolf is his mother, it ruins the impact the scene has. That scene works so well because it's raw. There is no dialogue except for Balto's muttered "Rosie"; it's entirely driven by sound, music, and artwork. If you add unnecessarily complexity to it by making the white wolf Balto's mother, you're taking away that raw simplicity and it isn't as powerful.
Also, if it's his mother, it's way, WAY too convenient. This is the arctic we're talking about. A million square miles. Do you honestly think that Balto would fall off of a cliff and find his mother waiting for him at the bottom in the middle of a winter blizzard? The chances of there being a wolf there at all are obviously slim, but the chances of that wolf being his mother are zero. It kills the all-important Suspension of Disbelief.
Good point, Aglandiir, but remember in WQ at the end when Balto sees the white wolf and whispers, "Aniu..? You're my...?" and he means to add "mother" but the white wolf nods and then howls, and vanishes into thin air? Well, why would she lie and say she is his mother when she really isn't? I just hit upon that thought yesterday whilst thinking of this here post.
And in regards to the "his mother waiting for him at the bottom of the cliff" thing, she's a spirit (or at least that's how the movies portray her), so she could appear anywhere.
And how would YOU act if your mother, who was supposed to be long-dead, suddenly appeared before you out of the snow? Pretty shocked, right? I don't think Balto was in any mood for mother-son relations at that time.
But of course, that's only MHO.
And in regards to the "his mother waiting for him at the bottom of the cliff" thing, she's a spirit (or at least that's how the movies portray her), so she could appear anywhere.
And how would YOU act if your mother, who was supposed to be long-dead, suddenly appeared before you out of the snow? Pretty shocked, right? I don't think Balto was in any mood for mother-son relations at that time.
But of course, that's only MHO.
The whole point Ag was making that Aniu and the White Wolf are two seperate beings. The white wolf from the original Balto isn't Balto's mother, but was meant to represent his wolf side.
Aniu is Balto's mother and just happens to be a white wolf. Not the White Wolf.
Aniu is Balto's mother and just happens to be a white wolf. Not the White Wolf.
Exactly, Aniu is a spirit. Why would a spirit need to walk away and walk back like the white wolf did, if it could just appear and disappear at will?
If I suddenly saw my long-dead mother in Balto's situation, I would react with disbelief and hope because I'd think maybe things were starting to look up. Balto reacted with an "I'm not in the mood to deal with the whole 'wolf side' thing right now" grunt and turned away in exactly the same way he turned away from the wolf pack earlier: ears lowered, face fallen.
To me, there is more than enough evidence to show that the white wolf is not Balto's mother. I do accept that Aniu is his mother (in the context of Balto 2; I, like AC, do not accept that movie at all, but whatever). Therefore, the white wolf is not Aniu. This solution satisfies all conditions and maintains the artistic integrity of both the original white wolf scene and the ending of Balto 2.
If I suddenly saw my long-dead mother in Balto's situation, I would react with disbelief and hope because I'd think maybe things were starting to look up. Balto reacted with an "I'm not in the mood to deal with the whole 'wolf side' thing right now" grunt and turned away in exactly the same way he turned away from the wolf pack earlier: ears lowered, face fallen.
To me, there is more than enough evidence to show that the white wolf is not Balto's mother. I do accept that Aniu is his mother (in the context of Balto 2; I, like AC, do not accept that movie at all, but whatever). Therefore, the white wolf is not Aniu. This solution satisfies all conditions and maintains the artistic integrity of both the original white wolf scene and the ending of Balto 2.
The way I see sequels is that once they've been released by a company, they become that company's "canon", and whatever the sequels say is true.
When Dev Ross(the writer of "Balto II"s screenplay)began writing her story, she was allowed to take the characters of "Balto" and do whatever she wished with them. �She took the white wolf and made it Balto's mother. �The difference in the white wolf's appearance was the animators' decision, not hers.
Therefore, if you were to ask someone from the Universal company, they would say the wolves are one, because Dev Ross took over the white wolf's character.
The people at Universal don't look at what the original writers made the white wolf to be: they look at what the latest writer has done with the characters.
Now, I'm the same way. �I go with Universal and Dev Ross. �I've always been this way with sequels. �With Disney's TLK II, I accept that Zira was Scar's former mate, even though she never appeared in TLK, and TLK's writers didn't create her character. �Also, I believe that Simba's lion cub at the end of TLK is Kiara, because of the sequel.
In other words, I really don't care what the creators of "Balto" think(no offense to them, of course). �I follow the sequel. �If one came out where Aniu WAS a seperate wolf, I'd go with it. �It's as simple as that.
If you don't accept "Balto II: Wolf Quest" as a continuation of the original, than that's fine. �I can't change your opinions, nor am I trying to, but I am not afraid to stand for my own, and put my reasoning behind it.
Please don't regard this post as a flame, but as a peaceful one, even if it is a bit rough...
When Dev Ross(the writer of "Balto II"s screenplay)began writing her story, she was allowed to take the characters of "Balto" and do whatever she wished with them. �She took the white wolf and made it Balto's mother. �The difference in the white wolf's appearance was the animators' decision, not hers.
Therefore, if you were to ask someone from the Universal company, they would say the wolves are one, because Dev Ross took over the white wolf's character.
The people at Universal don't look at what the original writers made the white wolf to be: they look at what the latest writer has done with the characters.
Now, I'm the same way. �I go with Universal and Dev Ross. �I've always been this way with sequels. �With Disney's TLK II, I accept that Zira was Scar's former mate, even though she never appeared in TLK, and TLK's writers didn't create her character. �Also, I believe that Simba's lion cub at the end of TLK is Kiara, because of the sequel.
In other words, I really don't care what the creators of "Balto" think(no offense to them, of course). �I follow the sequel. �If one came out where Aniu WAS a seperate wolf, I'd go with it. �It's as simple as that.
If you don't accept "Balto II: Wolf Quest" as a continuation of the original, than that's fine. �I can't change your opinions, nor am I trying to, but I am not afraid to stand for my own, and put my reasoning behind it.
Please don't regard this post as a flame, but as a peaceful one, even if it is a bit rough...
The reason I don't really accept everything the sequel has to offer is that they didn't do it much justice. �I simply can't accept something that even goes as far as to contradict the orginal. �I also believe in having room for fan interpretation. �If the major points of Wolf Quest didn't clash with or simply ignore the original points of Balto, I would have accepted Universal's sequel whole heartedly.
Some sequels just add more to the original than others. �Unfortuantely for me, Wolf Quest wasn't one of them. �Although I don't hate the movie, I just don't like it as much as Balto. ^_^;
Some sequels just add more to the original than others. �Unfortuantely for me, Wolf Quest wasn't one of them. �Although I don't hate the movie, I just don't like it as much as Balto. ^_^;
If a sequel came along that took Balto and made him into a dancing Belgian street mime, I don't see why anyone would have too much trouble disregarding that sequel as complete B.S. regardless of what the studio had to say about it.
Balto, as a movie, makes sense; when the Balto universe is viewed as only consisting of Balto, then the Balto universe also makes sense. If you add Wolf Quest in there, it doesn't make sense anymore. Where have all the humans gone? Where did that totem pole come from? It wasn't there in any of the Nome panorama shots before. Why is Jenna suddenly so sullen and morose, when she was so full of energy before? The list goes on. They changed things in Wolf Quest that break apart the Balto movie universe, and thus, I cannot accept it as a movie that takes place in the same universe of the first movie. It takes place somewhere else.
The Lion King is different. The changes made in the Lion King sequels don't ruin the continuity between the movies. They can all exist in the same universe without anything not making sense.
I can't say the same about Balto and Balto 2. I suspect that Balto 3 will take place in the Balto 2 universe, again, rather than the Balto universe. Meh.
Balto, as a movie, makes sense; when the Balto universe is viewed as only consisting of Balto, then the Balto universe also makes sense. If you add Wolf Quest in there, it doesn't make sense anymore. Where have all the humans gone? Where did that totem pole come from? It wasn't there in any of the Nome panorama shots before. Why is Jenna suddenly so sullen and morose, when she was so full of energy before? The list goes on. They changed things in Wolf Quest that break apart the Balto movie universe, and thus, I cannot accept it as a movie that takes place in the same universe of the first movie. It takes place somewhere else.
The Lion King is different. The changes made in the Lion King sequels don't ruin the continuity between the movies. They can all exist in the same universe without anything not making sense.
I can't say the same about Balto and Balto 2. I suspect that Balto 3 will take place in the Balto 2 universe, again, rather than the Balto universe. Meh.
How I see it is the original Balto creators didn't make the whitewolf as Balto's mother therefore it isn't Balto's mother. Anui is Balto's mother and as discussed before, looks nothing like the original Whitewolf. The only similarity is that both are white and both are Canis lupus.
You can't forget Balto is based on a true story and unless they were to have made Balto 2 based on what happen to the real Balto, after the diptheria epidemic, I doubt they could've made a highly good connection between the two movies. With Jenna hinting she's ready to mate with Balto and Jenna having the pups in the seconds, is a small way of connecting the two. IMO.